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so i have been thinking and looking at the official forum... and i have a question/thought

if you had a Fiday

could you have him drop a smoke on himself, which doesn't require a roll (i think i could very well be wrong) and then proceed to shoot someone with a light shotgun. then after doing so could he use another order to impersonate again because he is a zero visibility zone?

i haven't actually played so i don't know the rules.

just wondering if this could be done.

or something similar.


so can it be done?

marmaduke wrote:
if you had a Fiday
could you have him drop a smoke on himself,

Yes, you can target any point in the ground within the range of the smoke hand grenade, which is 12", so you can perfectly drop smoke at the feet of the Fiday.

marmaduke wrote:
which doesn't require a roll (i think i could very well be wrong)

It does indeed require a roll. Throwing grenade is a ranged attack that uses the miniature's PHIS profile intead of BS. You must roll Fiday's PHIS, which is 12, and add any modifier to the shoot/throw. In that case as you're aiming at a point within 4" , as stated in the smoke grenade weapon profile you get a +3 bonus. So you must roll 12+3 or less in order to succeed,otherwise the grenade will disperse. Now depending on the situation that roll coud be a direct roll or a FtF roll.

marmaduke wrote:
and then proceed to shoot someone with a light shotgun.

I don't get your point. I suppose you mean Fiday throws the smoke and then with another order steps out of the smoke template and shots an enemy. You can't shoot through from inside a zero vis zone unless the model is equipped with multiespectral visor lvl 2 or declares the long order "intuitive fire" with a direct template weapon (aka flamethrower, nanopulser or chain rifle).

marmaduke wrote:
then after doing so could he use another order to impersonate again because he is a zero visibility zone?

As long as no enemy miniature has LoV to the Fiday the model is able to use a long order to impersonate again. In the case there's an enemy marker with LoV to the Fiday, that marker can reveal declaring an ARO thus preventing the Fiday the reimpersonation order, which automatically fails despite the order is spent.

Janzerker wrote:

marmaduke wrote:
if you had a Fiday
could you have him drop a smoke on himself,

Yes, you can target any point in the ground within the range of the smoke hand grenade, which is 12", so you can perfectly drop smoke at the feet of the Fiday.

marmaduke wrote:
which doesn't require a roll (i think i could very well be wrong)

It does indeed require a roll. Throwing grenade is a ranged attack that uses the miniature's PHIS profile intead of BS. You must roll Fiday's PHIS, which is 12, and add any modifier to the shoot/throw. In that case as you're aiming at a point within 4" , as stated in the smoke grenade weapon profile you get a +3 bonus. So you must roll 12+3 or less in order to succeed,otherwise the grenade will disperse. Now depending on the situation that roll coud be a direct roll or a FtF roll.

marmaduke wrote:
and then proceed to shoot someone with a light shotgun.

I don't get your point. I suppose you mean Fiday throws the smoke and then with another order steps out of the smoke template and shots an enemy. You can't shoot through from inside a zero vis zone unless the model is equipped with multiespectral visor lvl 2 or declares the long order "intuitive fire" with a direct template weapon (aka flamethrower, nanopulser or chain rifle).

marmaduke wrote:
then after doing so could he use another order to impersonate again because he is a zero visibility zone?

As long as no enemy miniature has LoV to the Fiday the model is able to use a long order to impersonate again. In the case there's an enemy marker with LoV to the Fiday, that marker can reveal declaring an ARO thus preventing the Fiday the reimpersonation order, which automatically fails despite the order is spent.

okay.... so it wont work.

though if a Fiday threw a grenade he would lose impersonation right?
but then there would be the smoke. so would people be able to make shoot AROs against him?

and how long does smoke last for?

Announcing that you're going to throw a Smoke Grenade immediately removes Impersonation. The other player will be able to react in ARO against the Smoke Grenade action. Their shoot will be opposed to your PHY.

If they win the FtF, they successfully shoot your Fiday before he's able to successfully throw the grenade.

If you win the FtF, the smoke goes off before they're able to see anything.


Remember that both short orders and your opponent's AROs happen simultaneously, and your opponent may choose to have the ARO occur during any part of the first short order. They're choosing to ARO just as your uber-suspicious Fiday grabs a smoke grenade and before the smoke fills the area.

It depends on whose turn it is.

Shooting attacks while decloaking from Impersonation status in your own turn get a 'first strike' effect with them being resolved before the reactions.

So it can be argued that throwing a smoke grenade successfully is going to block the Line of Fire of the reacting models before they get to fire back.

Smoke lasts until the end of the current player turn.

so

with it being the Fidays active turn, would he then be able to use the "first reaction coming out of camo etc" thing and put down the smoke before getting shot to bits?