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Hi Guys,
my school did'nt get through to the finals of the School League, but there is a Wildcard being Played and i think we have it. So i have revised a list with the following rules:
• Armies must be no more than
600 points.
• You must have 1 HQ choice.
• You must have 2 Troops choices.
• You may have 1 Elite choice but no
more than 1.
• You may have 1 Heavy Support OR
1 Fast Attack choice (no more than 1).
• You can spend the rest of the points
from on Troops or HQ choices.
• Games at the International Final will
be played on 6'x4' boards.
• Games will last approximately
45 minutes – this includes 5 minutes
to discuss scenery set up with
your opponent.
So here is my best list:

HQ: Shas'el- Shield Generator, FB, Flamer, HW Multi-Tracker- 91
Elite:3x Shas'ui XV8 Crisis Battlesuits- FB x 3, Flamer x 3, Targetting Array, Multi Tracker, Target Lock-143
Troops: 10 Fire Warriors-100
10 Fire Warriors-100
Heavy Support: Hammerhead Gunship- Disruption Pod, Multi-Tracker, Railgun, Burst cannons-165

You'd be surprised how much of a difference being Fast makes. 12" Movement then fire Railgun on building. NOWHERE TO HIDE!!!
Give me some Feedback. I'd like this to be air tight.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:HQ: Shas'el- Shield Generator, FB, Flamer, HW Multi-Tracker- 91

Sorry, man, but possibly the worst choice of load-out.

In low point games, the emptiness of the field plays to tau favor; don't give that up with FBs and flamers. Switch to a FireStorm, Target Array. Absolutely toss the Shield Gen. If the suit needs an Invul, the odds are it's versus an ML, LasCan, PFist or other STR8 ID. Why take a 50/50% chance of your suit dying, when a Shield Drone should risk it?

Shas'el - Target Array, hwMT, BC/MP hwDC, SD or two

FireStorms have the JSJ range of being 20 inches or so away from the enemy. Only SRGs, orks and DE can catch them in h2h at that range. IF you field FBs and flamers, your suits are in h2h the next turn and you lost the game.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:Elite:3x Shas'ui XV8 Crisis Battlesuits- FB x 3, Flamer x 3, Targetting Array, Multi Tracker, Target Lock-143

As above. Skip the Target Lock as whatever they're shooting at is only so much of the enemy's army. Plus you want all their shots to "wrap around" on wound allocations so the enemy Pfist sgt has to make a Save.

3 FireStorms, Team leader, BK. Maybe Target Array for the TeamLdr if you have the points.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:Troops: 10 Fire Warriors-100
10 Fire Warriors-100

Field as 6, 9 or 12, so 9s. At 9 dudes, it takes 3 casualties to cause Morale. 2 dead at six guys and 4 deaths when starting with a dozen FWs. So, field 9 FWs each. Consider this, go all the way down to two minimum units of 6, and put the points into a 'Vre buddy for the HQ.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:Heavy Support: Hammerhead Gunship- Disruption Pod, Multi-Tracker, Railgun, Burst cannons-

Here, I'd recommend a Target Lock. BCs hit troops and the RG can whap a tank or pie-plate whatever the XV8s didn't kill.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:You'd be surprised how much of a difference being Fast makes. 12" Movement then fire Railgun on building. NOWHERE TO HIDE!!!

I like to Move 6 and shoot the BCs too.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:Give me some Feedback. I'd like this to be air tight.

Air tight enough?

Brothererekose wrote:

AbbadonTD101 wrote:HQ: Shas'el- Shield Generator, FB, Flamer, HW Multi-Tracker- 91

Sorry, man, but possibly the worst choice of load-out.

In low point games, the emptiness of the field plays to tau favor; don't give that up with FBs and flamers. Switch to a FireStorm, Target Array. Absolutely toss the Shield Gen. If the suit needs an Invul, the odds are it's versus an ML, LasCan, PFist or other STR8 ID. Why take a 50% chance of your suit dying, when a Shield Drone should risk it?

Because if you get shot/hit more than once (twice if you have 2 shield drones) then one of those wounds is going on the Commander who now has no save and is ID'd.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:

AbbadonTD101 wrote:HQ: Shas'el- Shield Generator, FB, Flamer, HW Multi-Tracker- 91

Sorry, man, but possibly the worst choice of load-out.
In low point games, the emptiness of the field plays to tau favor; don't give that up with FBs and flamers. Switch to a FireStorm, Target Array. Absolutely toss the Shield Gen. If the suit needs an Invul, the odds are it's versus an ML, LasCan, PFist or other STR8 ID. Why take a 50% chance of your suit dying, when a Shield Drone should risk it?

Because if you get shot/hit more than once (twice if you have 2 shield drones) then one of those wounds is going on the Commander who now has no save and is ID'd.

... and except for Long Fangs/Dev squads, what other unit is going to be putting out more than three AP3/AP2 , STR 8 shots? Fire Dragons? How often are they on the scene?


Oh, IG vet squads! Yeah, those dorks pack 3 MGs or so. 'Course, if IG vets can *get* into MG range, then the tau player has screwed up royally (Gotta watch for Outflanking Vendettas!)

If the hurt is coming down *that* hard, then the unit is dead anyway. Trust me, Shield Gens suck because SDs do the same job, for less, and *don't* occupy an essential hard-point, meant to be used for 2 guns and the Target Array.

Of course, ATCM, if *you* wanna use pricier, riskier Gennies, go for it.

I agree with Brothererekutose here, I thought about shield Drones but they seemed Dumb so i opted for a shield Gen. But you talk sense. But i cant't fit a shas'vre for my HQ cause i only have four Battlesuits.
So far this list has won every Game.


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Here's a revised version:
HQ- Shas'el- Targetting Array, MP/BC, HW-DC- Shield Drone, HW Multi Tracker.
Elites- 3x Fireknifes with Multi Trackers
Troops- 9x FW
9x Fw
Heavy Support- Hammerhead Gunship- Disruption Pod,Multi-Tracker, Target Lock, BC's, Railgun- 170

Anything i've missed?
Could not fit a Fireknife Team Leader.

what are fireknifes?
I live in the uk are the sold in uk games-workshop UK or US or what?

anton wrote:what are fireknifes?
I live in the uk are the sold in uk games-workshop UK or US or what?

Fireknife is a name for a Crisis suit loadout. It has a Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod and Multi Tracker. If it has access to battlesuit wargear (so a team leader, shas'vre bodyguard or Commander) then it'll usually have a Targeting Array as well, with the Multi Tracker being hard-wired.


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Brothererekose wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:

AbbadonTD101 wrote:HQ: Shas'el- Shield Generator, FB, Flamer, HW Multi-Tracker- 91

Sorry, man, but possibly the worst choice of load-out.
In low point games, the emptiness of the field plays to tau favor; don't give that up with FBs and flamers. Switch to a FireStorm, Target Array. Absolutely toss the Shield Gen. If the suit needs an Invul, the odds are it's versus an ML, LasCan, PFist or other STR8 ID. Why take a 50% chance of your suit dying, when a Shield Drone should risk it?

Because if you get shot/hit more than once (twice if you have 2 shield drones) then one of those wounds is going on the Commander who now has no save and is ID'd.

... and except for Long Fangs/Dev squads, what other unit is going to be putting out more than three AP3/AP2 , STR 8 shots? Fire Dragons? How often are they on the scene?


Oh, IG vet squads! Yeah, those dorks pack 3 MGs or so. 'Course, if IG vets can *get* into MG range, then the tau player has screwed up royally (Gotta watch for Outflanking Vendettas!)

If the hurt is coming down *that* hard, then the unit is dead anyway. Trust me, Shield Gens suck because SDs do the same job, for less, and *don't* occupy an essential hard-point, meant to be used for 2 guns and the Target Array.

Of course, ATCM, if *you* wanna use pricier, riskier Gennies, go for it.

I take both a shield gen and shield drones (on shas'vre bodyguards with twin-linked plasma rifles). So when the shield drones are dead you still have a 50% survival rate on two models (or 7 if I'm playing with a full Farsight retinue) to soak up heavy fire. It may be expensive but it keeps my commander alive.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:I agree with Brothererekutose here, I thought about shield Drones but they seemed Dumb so i opted for a shield Gen. But you talk sense. But i cant't fit a shas'vre for my HQ cause i only have four Battlesuits.

Good that you're fielding all 4 then.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:So far this list has won every Game.

As it should be.

Just how decisively are you winning? Tabling? Barely?

AbbadonTD101 wrote:
Here's a revised version:
HQ- Shas'el- Targetting Array, MP/BC, HW-DC- Shield Drone, HW Multi Tracker.
Elites- 3x Fireknifes with Multi Trackers
Troops- 9x FW
9x Fw
Heavy Support- Hammerhead Gunship- Disruption Pod,Multi-Tracker, Target Lock, BC's, Railgun- 170

Pretty tight.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:Anything i've missed?
Could not fit a Fireknife Team Leader.

I'd possibly toss 3 FWs, to gain a Team Leader on the Elite crew, Target Array & Bonding Knife. It'd help with Wound Allocation, one guy at BS4 and a BK to rally a lone suit. Well worth it, IMHO.

Pretty good as is though.


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anton wrote:what are fireknifes?

Internet SEARCH = Crisis Suit names.

anton wrote:I live in the uk are the sold in uk games-workshop UK or US or what?

GW UK. They're all over Britain.

Also sold in the USA. And Japan. And Australia. A few other places too.

AbbadonTD101 wrote:I agree with Brothererekutose here, I thought about shield Drones but they seemed Dumb so i opted for a shield Gen. But you talk sense. But i cant't fit a shas'vre for my HQ cause i only have four Battlesuits.
So far this list has won every Game.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here's a revised version:
HQ- Shas'el- Targetting Array, MP/BC, HW-DC- Shield Drone, HW Multi Tracker.
Elites- 3x Fireknifes with Multi Trackers
Troops- 9x FW
9x Fw
Heavy Support- Hammerhead Gunship- Disruption Pod,Multi-Tracker, Target Lock, BC's, Railgun- 170

Anything i've missed?
Could not fit a Fireknife Team Leader.

By my math you are a bit over. Maybe drop the FW's down to 6 man squads or take kroot instead.