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Hello folks! Long time reader, first time poster.

Anyways, i was thinking about getting back into WH40k after a somewhat long break, and decided to try something unusual (for me).

The basic idea is to have an army with as few miniatures as possible, while still being somewhat viable. By viable i mean "shop tourneys and friend games" viable, not "world series viable" or anything.

After some consideration and talking with people, i have arrived at the conclusion that i should use a SG Dante's BA build.

This is what it looks right now:

HQ: Dante, honor guard with JP and 4 meltas and 1 fist (Total HQ cost: 455)
Elites: Priest with JP, infernus and fist (115 pts)
Elites: Priest with JP, infernus and fist (115 pts)
Elites: Priest with JP, infernus and fist (115 pts)
Troops: SG, masks, 1 infernus, 1 fist (245 pts)
Troops: SG, masks, 1 infernus, 1 fist (245 pts)
Troops: SG, masks, 1 infernus, 1 fist (245 pts)
Troops: SG, masks, 1 infernus, 1 fist (245 pts)
Troops: SG, 1 infernus, 1 fist (220 pts)

Comes up at a total of 2000 points.


Any advices you can give me? Do you think it has enough power vs mech/meq/small hordes? do you think it will be somewhat viable?
Should i perhaps swap one of priests or SG squads for a dread?

Please keep in mind that i would prefer to keep the miniature count small, for personal fluff reasons.


Thanks in advance
-Ana

Feel free to ignore the following as it will require significant changes to your list but consider the following;

loose
1 priest entirely (3 FNP/FC bubbles is probably enough) -115pts
-and-
the wargear from the other 2 (they are pretty vulnerable and giving them PF's and similar just draws more attention to them)
-80pts
-and-
the last sanginary guard squad -220pts
-and-
masks off 2 of the otheres -50pts

giving you 465pts to spend with wich i would buy,

The Sanguinor (nicely thematic and a great force multiplyer giving +1 Attack to all units within 6", nevermind the fact that he personally can hand it to almost any other HQ choice in the game) 275pts

-and-

a vanguard veteran squad (to make use of the Sanguinors Blessing you need a sergeant and obviously only having 1 you have the benefit of knowing wich sergent it will be) with 2x lightning claws (on the serg, with the blessing this guy will be putting out 5 Ws5 attacks on the charge and re-rolling to wound, not to shabby) a power fist and 4x melta bombs (or 3 inferno pistols although with Heroic Intervention these my loose thier oppertunity impact) 190pts.

thats back to 2000pts and the same number of bodies.

I dont mind changing the list, as i havent actually bought anything yet (one of the reasons im trying to get feedback).

Sounds interesting, so the plan is to DS both dante+HG and the veteran squad, and have the SG charge in together with priests?

What about dropping the fists off the priests, saving you 75 pts.
Then dropping masks off of 2 of the squads, saving you 50 pts. (I don't like masks, theyre nice when they work, and a waste of points when they don't. The majority of the things it will work against, you don't need it anyway.)
Drop a mask SG squad itself, saving you 245

Total of 370 points to spend.

Since your only way to pop transports is a smattering of infernus pistols and one fire magnet HG squad, why not fit in some small model count anti-tank?

You could go:
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120

Or:
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120
Add 3x storm shields to HG squad - 60
Add chapter banner and second infernus to a SG squad with the rest.

What I prefer to back up my nipplewing is:
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120
Dread - 2x TL autocannons - 120
Dread - TLLC, ML - 140

EDIT: Usually my plan is to deploy down, and charge with the mass SG. Have the Dreads pop open and stunlock the enemies big guns so they can't snipe down the SG. Dreads can move so should have good fire lanes all game. Dante+HG pinpoint a big target and take it out on the drop. If you bought the storm shields, they can then take a brutal amount of fire before biting the dust, thus giving the rest of your army time to advance.
I also use a librarian for 5+ cover from shield of sanguinius.

I'd deffo try to take Sanguinor or the chapter banner or both in there. And drop the masks and the priests fists.

Anakonda wrote:I dont mind changing the list, as i havent actually bought anything yet (one of the reasons im trying to get feedback).

Sounds interesting, so the plan is to DS both dante+HG and the veteran squad, and have the SG charge in together with priests?

yeah that'd be the general idea, as otheres have said dreadnoughts and similar are pretty sweet for bashing up transports and what not but obviously dont really fit with your theme, unless you paint them gold maybe and GS some faux musculature on thier Sarcofagi (Sarcofagusees?) actually now i think about it that would look pretty sweet.

as somebody mentioned the chapter banner is another good option for bonus attacks. maybe dropping the remaining masks, they are cool but pricy.

Not a too bad list. You definitely do not need power fists on Priests. You do not want the Priest in combat with infantry, as he will get taken out, especially with a power fist if striking last. If you do not plan to get the Priest in c.c with infantry and just vehicles, then you're making the Priest cost waaay too many points.

The Sanguinary Guard do not need the death masks. Most units have decent leadership values so probably won't fail the tests. You also dont get many assaulting S-Guard either.

With points spare you could get a unit of Scouts with camo cloaks, which would help you claim objectives while your Sanguinary Guard are bouncing about and laying the smack down.

COOL

What a pretty Angle army that would be...

My opinion, if you have not bought the models then you have not built them either. . .

Go out and buy small 3 mm magnets first, then before building your guys, magnetize the fists, the heads, the melta, and the plasma weapons. Try them out and build separate lists to change up when you face different armies.

Also, a little change, even in masks or head position will keep the army looking new.

According to my codex i cant get TL on my dread, so not sure what you are referring to.


I did come up with something though:


HQ: Dante, honor guard with JP, 4 meltas, 4 storm shields and 1 fist
Troops: 4x squads of SG, with 1 fist and 2 inferno pistols each
Elites: 2x squads of 1 priest each with JP and Inferno pistol
Elites: furioso dread with two blood claws (and in-built storm bolter and melta)
Fast attack: Vanguard assault, with JPs and fist for sergeant

Comes up at exactly 2k points as well.

Not worth taking storm shields on the Honour Guard. They are nuking tanks and will still die to small arms just as they would without storm shields - all they get is protection from AP3 fire and below.

The Furioso badly needs a Pod, though really doesn't belong in this list. You've got fast moving units with jump packs, so the Furioso will fall behind. If you really want a Dreadnought then take a Librarian one with wings.

I dont mind using a pod in my army, although i would prefer not having that big bulky thing. I dont really see the point of having librarian dread, should i perhaps swap it out for something else?

You do not want a single Drop Pod as it will come down unsupported on and it's own. You need five Pods miniumum. The reason I suggested Libby Dreadnought is because with wings it could keep up with jump infantry, but being the only vehicle in a all jump infantry army it's just asking for trouble.

Dreadnoughts, in the heavy support section, can have TL autocannons on their gun arm, and then replaced their DCCW with another TL autocannon. That's what I'm referring too.
It fits your fluff fine (low model count, fallen sanguinary guard in the dread) and it fits your army with much needed anti-transport fire. Ideal fit, really.

mercer: It IS worth taking storm shields on your honor guard. They have built in FNP, so your are really tough against small arms fire. If you go without storm shields, the enemy just throws some heavy weapons fire into your squad and they are gone. If you add storm shields, your enemy will have to fire on them with everything they have for a turn and still might not kill them, depending on luck.
Bottom line for 4x melta HG is that they are a HUGE threat that drops into the backfield of the enemy and destroys one tank. They now NEED to be killed or they will melta another 1-2 tanks each turn with their great mobility.
SS makes that unit very tough to get rid of in one turn. And it absorbs the same low ap shots that would otherwise be killing off your sanguinary guard at will.


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My BA list, for reference.
Dante
Librarian - JP, Shield of sang, sword of sang
Honor Guard - 3x Storm shields, meltagun, 1xmeltabomb
Sang Priest - JP
SG - Banner, infernus pistol, pfist
3xSG - 2x infernus, pfist
Dread - 2x TL Autos
Dread - 2x TL Autos
Dread - TL LasC, ML

HG are great for their weapons choices. With 4x melta and 4x storm shields that's 57 pts per model. Pretty expensive.

Storm Shields are great. The issue is whether it's worth 20 pts per model for an already expensive unit.

@Anakonda: A Librarian would be nice in the list and would compliment it more than the Dread. And with the extra HQ you can take another melta HG unit if you are really worried about anti-tank. Trade the VV. Depends on how you want the list to go.

racta wrote:

mercer: It IS worth taking storm shields on your honor guard. They have built in FNP, so your are really tough against small arms fire. If you go without storm shields, the enemy just throws some heavy weapons fire into your squad and they are gone. If you add storm shields, your enemy will have to fire on them with everything they have for a turn and still might not kill them, depending on luck.
Bottom line for 4x melta HG is that they are a HUGE threat that drops into the backfield of the enemy and destroys one tank. They now NEED to be killed or they will melta another 1-2 tanks each turn with their great mobility.
SS makes that unit very tough to get rid of in one turn. And it absorbs the same low ap shots that would otherwise be killing off your sanguinary guard at will.

The storm shields are going on a single wound model, small arms fire wise i.e bolters they won't make a difference. Against low AP you'll get the invulnerable save, though no fnp, with weight of fire they will still go down, though last a bit longer. A good round of shooting will bring them down pretty easily or just torrent them the same way as before. Either way they are a high priority target and dumping more points into them isn't worth it.. I just don't think the points for storm shields are justified for them.

Oh, and if a unit does derp strike in back field, then they will get counter assulted and won't be slagging any tanks, at least not for a bit.