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From the rulebook, pg 58:
"If fired directly at the target, they are treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons (Ignoring the minimum range in the weapon's profile)."

How exact is "exactly"?

1. Must the unit still remain stationary to fire?
2. Is it still a Barrage for purposes of cover?
3. Is it still a Barrage for purposes of pinning?

It means you ignore the minimum distance, and can reduce scatter by the firer's BS. Everything else still applies.

correct me if i am wrong but a basilisk can move and direct fire his earth shaker. but firing it as barrage i can not move it.

DarknessEternal wrote:From the rulebook, pg 58:
"If fired directly at the target, they are treated exactly like normal ordnance weapons (Ignoring the minimum range in the weapon's profile)."

How exact is "exactly"?

1. Must the unit still remain stationary to fire?
2. Is it still a Barrage for purposes of cover?
3. Is it still a Barrage for purposes of pinning?

No, no and no.

Take the weapon's profile, remove the minimum range and remove the barrage rule.

For example a whirlwind's missile launcher has the following profile:
12-48" S5, AP4, Ordnance Barrage, Large Blast
When firing directly you use the following profile instead:
48" S5, AP4, Ordnance, Large Blast

So yes you can move and no you don't get the barrage special rules because it doesn't have barrage anymore.

Tylarion wrote:
No, no and no.

Take the weapon's profile, remove the minimum range and remove the barrage rule.

For example a whirlwind's missile launcher has the following profile:
12-48" S5, AP4, Ordnance Barrage
When firing directly you use the following profile instead:
48" S5, AP4, Ordnance

So yes you can move and no you don't get the barrage special rules because it doesn't have barrage anymore.

So no blast marker? Ord Barrage uses a large blast. Ords don't.

Thats the way i read it but i haven't seen anyone play it that way. I don't have any models with Ord barrage and haven't played anyone so i've never asked the question.

If the weapon has a blast when firing indirectly it has the same blast when firing directly.

VoxDei wrote:So no blast marker? Ord Barrage uses a large blast. Ords don't.

Thats the way i read it but i haven't seen anyone play it that way. I don't have any models with Ord barrage and haven't played anyone so i've never asked the question.

The Whirlwind was FAQed to have Large blast added, I edited my post. I don't think there are any barrage weapons without the profile saying blast or large blast though.

Tylarion wrote:

VoxDei wrote:So no blast marker? Ord Barrage uses a large blast. Ords don't.

Thats the way i read it but i haven't seen anyone play it that way. I don't have any models with Ord barrage and haven't played anyone so i've never asked the question.

The Whirlwind was FAQed to have Large blast added, I edited my post. I don't think there are any barrage weapons without the profile saying blast or large blast though.

Your right. It seems to be the only Ord Barrage that doesn't have have a blast or large blast also. And if it was errata'd then I guess it's a moot point.

Ordnance, Blast is Large blast - always. Barrage has nothing to do with the size of any blast.

If you fire directly, it is NOT barrage, so work it out exactly as a normal blast weapon

nosferatu1001 wrote:Ordnance, Blast is Large blast - always. Barrage has nothing to do with the size of any blast.

If you fire directly, it is NOT barrage, so work it out exactly as a normal blast weapon

The point they're trying to make (I think) is that Ordnance weapons as standard are not necessarily blast weapons. Ordnance Barrage only uses the large blast marker because all barrage weapons are blast as well. Therefore, an Ordnance Barrage weapon uses a large blast marker, even if it doesn't state "Blast" as a weapon type. So, since the rule says that an Ordnance Barrage (that doesn't also have the "Blast" rule), when fired directly, is treated "exactly like normal ordnance", they are interpreting it as basically removing the Barrage rule from the weapon, meaning that it no longer uses a large blast marker.

Never played it that way, but I can see how the interpretation could be made.

All Ordnance weapons use the large blast marker unless otherwise noted. That's in the rules.

It's also pretty tangential to this topic, which seems to have collusion of opinion. So thanks.

DarknessEternal wrote:All Ordnance weapons use the large blast marker unless otherwise noted. That's in the rules.

No, Ordnance blasts always use the large blast marker. IG Hellstrike Missiles, for example, are an example of a non-blast Ordnance weapon.

It's also pretty tangential to this topic, which seems to have collusion of opinion. So thanks.

Apologies, I thought this was what you were alluding to.

DarknessEternal wrote:All Ordnance weapons use the large blast marker unless otherwise noted. That's in the rules.

It's also pretty tangential to this topic, which seems to have collusion of opinion. So thanks.

Valkyrie missiles disagree with you. The RULES says that *blast* Ordnance is always large blast, but "ordnance" jsut alters Armour Pen rolls and your ability to fire other weapons