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In the rulebook it says firing ordnance weapons require the full attention of all the crew, not even defensive weapons may be fired. But in the walker section it clearly states that walkers can move and may still fire all of their weapons. Since the Defiler is a walker and has a barrage weapon, battlecannon it should be allowed to fire it´s full weaponry including ordnance?

I believe that ordnance is more specific than the walker rule so it would still not be able to fire other weapons other than the ordnance weapon.

Walkers can fire all weapons if they move (general).
Ordinance cannot be fired if the model moves at all (specific).
Some models have special rules that bypass this restriction (i.e. Lumbering Behemoth). (more specific)

Specific trumps general.

Luusormi wrote:In the rulebook it says firing ordnance weapons require the full attention of all the crew, not even defensive weapons may be fired. But in the walker section it clearly states that walkers can move and may still fire all of their weapons. Since the Defiler is a walker and has a barrage weapon, battlecannon it should be allowed to fire it´s full weaponry including ordnance?

Nope. Ordnance applies to all vehicles, including Walkers.

Happyjew wrote:Walkers can fire all weapons if they move (general).
Ordinance cannot be fired if the model moves at all (specific).
Some models have special rules that bypass this restriction (i.e. Lumbering Behemoth). (more specific)

Specific trumps general.

Edited to add:
Kevin, the monolith has a special rue that says it counts as stationary when firing weapons. That means if it fires an ordnance weapon, it counts as having been stationary. However, they do not have permission to fire any additional weapons if they fire ordnance.

Ya, I know, I edited my post. Was getting confused in my 3 pound head cavity. I was confusing the rule of firing the whip after deep striking. My fault.

I added that before the you edited it out. I've now un-edited my original post.

Happyjew wrote:I added that before the you edited it out. I've now un-edited my original post.

LoL I saw, but no worries, you were still right. Haha.

Happyjew wrote:Walkers can fire all weapons if they move (general).
Ordinance cannot be fired if the model moves at all (specific).
Some models have special rules that bypass this restriction (i.e. Lumbering Behemoth). (more specific)

Specific trumps general.

Sorry to be picky, ordnance barrage weapons can't be used if the model moves, standard Ordnance weapons can be fired on the move (but no other weapons).

Good call, forgot that it was Ordnance barrage that cannot be fired if moving. Yes a walker with an ordnance weapon can fire it, however cannot fire any other weapons.

Luusormi wrote:In the rulebook it says firing ordnance weapons require the full attention of all the crew, not even defensive weapons may be fired. But in the walker section it clearly states that walkers can move and may still fire all of their weapons. Since the Defiler is a walker and has a barrage weapon, battlecannon it should be allowed to fire it´s full weaponry including ordnance?

Point the first. The Defiler does not have a Barrage weapon, it has a direct fire Ordnance weapon.
Point the second, there is no restriction against moving and firing direct fire Ordnance.
Point the third, there is a restriction against firing any additional weapons while firing ordnance.

Conclusion. A walker can move and fire Ordnance but may not fire any other weapons.

And for Grendel, Ordnance Barrage weapons cannot be fired if the vehicle moves unless the vehicle is a Fast vehicle and moves 6" or less.

don_mondo wrote:

Luusormi wrote:In the rulebook it says firing ordnance weapons require the full attention of all the crew, not even defensive weapons may be fired. But in the walker section it clearly states that walkers can move and may still fire all of their weapons. Since the Defiler is a walker and has a barrage weapon, battlecannon it should be allowed to fire it´s full weaponry including ordnance?

Point the first. The Defiler does not have a Barrage weapon, it has a direct fire Ordnance weapon.
Point the second, there is no restriction against moving and firing direct fire Ordnance.
Point the third, there is a restriction against firing any additional weapons while firing ordnance.

Conclusion. A walker can move and fire Ordnance but may not fire any other weapons.

And for Grendel, Ordnance Barrage weapons cannot be fired if the vehicle moves unless the vehicle is a Fast vehicle and moves 6" or less.

Did it lose the barrage aspect in the new codex or something? My buddy uses a defiler all the time and fires it as barrage, but he doesn't have the new dex.

Yes, it is no longer a sit back and shoot gun platform - no barrage

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, it is no longer a sit back and shoot gun platform - no barrage

Hmm...bummer for them then. No wonder he doesn't want the new dex.

Well the new dex will soon be the old dex, so he may as well hang on a bit and jump straight to the 6E dex when it comes out.

Luusormi wrote:In the rulebook it says firing ordnance weapons require the full attention of all the crew, not even defensive weapons may be fired. But in the walker section it clearly states that walkers can move and may still fire all of their weapons. Since the Defiler is a walker and has a barrage weapon, battlecannon it should be allowed to fire it´s full weaponry including ordnance?

Walkers can move and fire their weapons...but look at the rest of the sentence (p72): "just like a stationary vehicle." This is also the same rule that allows walkers to fire on the turn they deep strike, while ordinary vehicles cannot.

A stationary vehicle still can't fire Ordnance at the same time as other weapons, so neither can a walker.