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2012/05/03 21:07:58
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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So I just joined this forum, and am curious what people think of the following situation. My friend tried the new Necron codex against me a while back, and my Blood Angels wiped out everything he had. The last unit of his I killed was his Necron Overlord. Now we got into a little confusion, as he told me he gets to reanimate. I disputed this, saying the rules for wipe out say if your oppenent has no models left on the board, you win, regardless of victory conditions. What do you guys think?
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2012/05/03 21:10:50
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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The roll is made at the end of the phase before wipeout takes effect. Reasoning for this is that you haven't actually removed the model yet, if you look at many other rules that depend on models being "killed" or "removed" those rules also don't trigger until AFTER the RP/EL rolls.
Not that it makes a difference in that situation, he seems to have clearly lost.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/05/03 21:12:25
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2012/05/03 21:11:36
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Lethal Lhamean
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i think the EL gets a chance to get back up.
and its not if the enemy has no models on the table, its if he has no forces left. there is a diffrence, else you would auto win if someone full reserves on you.
if he has an EL model thats been knocked down he can check to see if it gets up, at the end of the phase. (not the turn) if it fails to get up, then if he has no active forces left on the table or in reserve, then yes you win.
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2012/05/03 21:12:12
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Based on precedence (see Dark Eldar FAQ), the Overlord would still get to roll for EL.
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2012/05/03 21:15:48
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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BGB pg.90 wrote:Regardless of victory conditions, if at the end of any standard mission your enemy has no units left on the table you win the game!
So you have to let the game continue until it would end (rolling for game over at the ends of turn5and 6, etc.). Usually a wipeout is clear, no models on the board, no models in reserve, no hope of winning or drawing. In the case of Necrons and a few other models that have a chance of coming back after being removed as a casualty you must give the controlling player the opportunity to make these rolls. Automatically Appended Next Post: DarthSpader wrote:i think the EL gets a chance to get back up.
and its not if the enemy has no models on the table, its if he has no forces left.
You're right and wrong at the same time, see my quote.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/05/03 21:16:41
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/03 21:19:47
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Lethal Lhamean
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ok well at the END of the mission....
so if you wipe everything out by turn 3, do you spend the last 2 turns moving around the battlefield shooting at chipmunks?
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2012/05/03 21:22:29
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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DarthSpader wrote:ok well at the END of the mission....
so if you wipe everything out by turn 3, do you spend the last 2 turns moving around the battlefield shooting at chipmunks?
RAW, yes. As a matter of convenience people don't do this. By wording it the way they have GW trumps a player trying to claim an auto win simply becuase their opponent has no models lft in play but has reserves, RP rolls, etc.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/04 15:48:36
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Just figured out how to post back! :p You guys are fast! Thanks for the responses. 
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Lordhat wrote:DarthSpader wrote:ok well at the END of the mission....
so if you wipe everything out by turn 3, do you spend the last 2 turns moving around the battlefield shooting at chipmunks?
RAW, yes. As a matter of convenience people don't do this. By wording it the way they have GW trumps a player trying to claim an auto win simply becuase their opponent has no models lft in play but has reserves, RP rolls, etc.
I thought you do get the auto win if your oppenent has only reserves left? Isn't it something like "models in reserves that do not come in by the end of the game count as destroyed"?
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2012/05/04 16:01:26
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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SaveYourSorrows wrote:Just figured out how to post back! :p You guys are fast! Thanks for the responses.
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Lordhat wrote:DarthSpader wrote:ok well at the END of the mission....
so if you wipe everything out by turn 3, do you spend the last 2 turns moving around the battlefield shooting at chipmunks?
RAW, yes. As a matter of convenience people don't do this. By wording it the way they have GW trumps a player trying to claim an auto win simply becuase their opponent has no models lft in play but has reserves, RP rolls, etc.
I thought you do get the auto win if your oppenent has only reserves left? Isn't it something like "models in reserves that do not come in by the end of the game count as destroyed"?
That is correct, but you can't auto win on turn two because you killed your opponent's last models on the board and the rest of his force is in reserve. You MUST let the game continue until at least turn five. Read the following quote VERY carefully then look up the scenarios and pay attention to when the game(s) end.
BGB pg. 90 wrote:
Regardless of victory conditions, if at the end of any standard mission your enemy has no units left on the table you win the game!
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/04 16:03:26
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Heroic Senior Officer
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SaveYourSorrows wrote:Just figured out how to post back! :p You guys are fast! Thanks for the responses.
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Lordhat wrote:DarthSpader wrote:ok well at the END of the mission....
so if you wipe everything out by turn 3, do you spend the last 2 turns moving around the battlefield shooting at chipmunks?
RAW, yes. As a matter of convenience people don't do this. By wording it the way they have GW trumps a player trying to claim an auto win simply becuase their opponent has no models lft in play but has reserves, RP rolls, etc.
I thought you do get the auto win if your oppenent has only reserves left? Isn't it something like "models in reserves that do not come in by the end of the game count as destroyed"?
Yes, that line exists. Course there is also the rule that units in reserve automatically arrive on turn 5 with no roll being necessary. So if the game goes to turn 5, then everything gets the opportunity to arrive from reserves. The 'still in reserves' clause usually happens in two circumstances.
1. Late arriving deep striking unit mishaps back into reserves and the game ends
2. Game ends early (turn 3 or 4) due to time limit (common at tourneys) while still having units in reserves
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2012/05/04 22:32:59
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Nobody would get the come back. If the commander is attached to a squad and the whole thing is wiped out, nobody including him gets the RP. That is why when you attack Necrons in one phase you want to wipe out the entire unit so that it does not get RP.
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2012/05/04 22:35:04
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Yeah, that's just wrong. The EL models get to roll even if you kill the whole unit.
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2012/05/04 22:58:55
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Wrong, seriously read the EL rule. There's a small clue in the name of the rule
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2012/05/04 23:04:36
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Wrong, seriously read the EL rule. There's a small clue in the name of the rule
wait... wut?
Q: If an entire unit, including an attached character
from a Royal Court, is wiped out, do you get to make
any Reanimation Protocol rolls? (p29)
A: You would only get to make one roll for the
attached character as he has the Ever-living special rule.
Note that in this case, he must be placed within 3" of
the counter as his unit has been wiped out.
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2012/05/04 23:07:39
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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I don't think nos was talking to you, Randall.
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2012/05/04 23:09:10
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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well i'm the one who's always f'ing up the RP rules...
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2012/05/04 23:27:29
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Nobody would get the come back. If the commander is attached to a squad and the whole thing is wiped out, nobody including him gets the RP. That is why when you attack Necrons in one phase you want to wipe out the entire unit so that it does not get RP.
Unfortunately Mael, as the EL rule is written, there is no exception to the RP rule about wiping out a unit. However, this is a case of GW reading the rule they thought they wrote instead of the rule they did write, and the FAQ indicates this. Ever-living, in spite of how the rule is written, always allows an RP roll regardless of circimstance, when the model is removed as a casualty.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/05 00:46:34
Subject: Re:Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Lordhat wrote:Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Nobody would get the come back. If the commander is attached to a squad and the whole thing is wiped out, nobody including him gets the RP. That is why when you attack Necrons in one phase you want to wipe out the entire unit so that it does not get RP.
Unfortunately Mael, as the EL rule is written, there is no exception to the RP rule about wiping out a unit. However, this is a case of GW reading the rule they thought they wrote instead of the rule they did write, and the FAQ indicates this. Ever-living, in spite of how the rule is written, always allows an RP roll regardless of circimstance, when the model is removed as a casualty.
Ok, than I just didn't read the FaQ. I know when the Necron dex was released what I said was 100% true and it was amazing. :3
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2012/05/05 06:50:22
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kevin949 wrote:I don't think nos was talking to you, Randall.
Indeed not, no idea Randall had posted
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2012/05/07 05:38:12
Subject: Necron Reanimation Protocol
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Dakka Veteran
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Wrong, seriously read the EL rule. There's a small clue in the name of the rule
HA! I caught you! You said in another thread that the name of the rule has no meaning in regards to its rules! Ha! nah nah!
lol. Sorta kidding. No hard feelings  Your a good dude! Take it easy!
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