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Can nob bikers be taken as troops in an army with wazdakka

No.

Nob bikerz are normal nobz using an equipment upgrade. If you want a unit of nob bikerz to count as troops, you'll need to take either a normal Warboss or Ghazzy.

Actually, yes. I belive Wazdakka counts as a warboss on bike, as i recall, so Nob Bikerz count as troops using an upgrade/.

Does it say he does in his rules or his profile? No. Does it say Wazdakka is a warboss in his rules or his profile? No.

It ONLY says

Ork Codex, page 96 wrote:
Da Bike Boss
Wazdakka allows Warbiker mobs to be taken as Troop choices

No mention of nob units, no mention of being a warboss.

Furthermore, Wazdakka doesn't even have the statline of a warboss. There's no grounds for such a claim, at all.

Well my reason for asking was because the nobs purchase the warbikes which essentially makes them nob warbikers and as stated wazdakkas rules say warbiker mobs may be taken as troops it doesnt exclude nob qarbikers

Yes it does, because nob warbikers != warbikers, same as a heavy flamer != flamer and a hot shot lasgun isnt a lasgun, as far as the rules go.

With A warboss you can take A unit of nobs, on bikes or not, as troops. Wazdakka is not a warboss

Do Nobs that take warbikes as gear change into Warbikers?

Does Wazdakka have the Warboss rule?

"Essentially" does not equal "Is"

Well, you could take Wazdakka AND a warboss to get one unit of nob bikers to count as troops.

The folks above have covered this pretty well, but for emphasis:

No.

Wazdakka allows warbikers to be taken as troops.
Each warboss you take allows one unit of Nobs to be taken as troops.

Wazdakka is not a warboss.

Agreed

NOBs with bikes are not warbikers

ceramice wrote:Agreed

NOBs with bikes are not warbikers

if you notice my Sig and were in that thread just make smiley.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:

ceramice wrote:Agreed

NOBs with bikes are not warbikers

if you notice my Sig and were in that thread just make smiley.

The two situations are not really comparable.

ceramice wrote:Agreed

NOBs with bikes are not warbikers

very comparable lol

No, it really isn't comparable.

One situation requires one to believe that Nob Bikers (or a War Boss on a bike) cannot make use of a rule explicitly given to them (just like the good ol´ Doom of Malan'tai idiocy of yesteryear).

The other requires one to believe that a rule that explicit allows the unit named Warbikers to be take as Troops also extends to the unit named Nob Bikers.


I will be happy to say what you are getting at;

Nob Bikers are not Warbikers, but they still make full use of the Exhaust Cloud rule given to them even though said rule, by its wording, only applies to Warbikers.

RAW you are certainly right that that interpretation is completely against the rules and utterly inconsistent.

And we both have a pretty good idea how it is played out there in the real world, and how GW is most likely to FAQ it (should they ever feel a need to do so).



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i am in the against section of that btw. hence why i got a good lol.

i am a firm believer nob bikers get it.

Ok how about this.

Agreed Nob bikers are not warbikers.

And

Agreed Nob bikers are on warbikes (wargear with special rules applicable to all sorts of models nobs, warbikers, warbosses, big meks, and painboys etc.....)

The only reason I would say no to Wazdakka allowing Nob Warbikers as troops, is his unit enter specifically indicates he allows "Warbikers" as troops. The warboss indicates "a Nobz Mob or Mega armor Nobs."

Based on unit entry types: Wazdakka allows the Fast Attack Warbikers as Troops. A regular Warboss would allow Nob Warbikers as Troops.

Right o thanks for clearing that up

njpc wrote:The only reason I would say no to Wazdakka allowing Nob Warbikers as troops, is his unit enter specifically indicates he allows "Warbikers" as troops. The warboss indicates "a Nobz Mob or Mega armor Nobs."

Based on unit entry types: Wazdakka allows the Fast Attack Warbikers as Troops. A regular Warboss would allow Nob Warbikers as Troops.

I agree with you on all counts.

There is one thing though;

Look at the bolded part.
No such unit exists. Nobs are upgraded to Nob Bikers. Not Nob WARBikers.
That small distinction might prove valuable in understanding the rules.

Besides, Wazdakka is a BIG MEK and not a warboss in the fluff. Besides the fact he has no rules to allow the NOB bikers as troops, there is no fluff reason either.

Just take a second HQ warboss.

Look in the codex where it says "entire mob may be upgraded to nob bikers." In the unit description a unit of "Nob Bikers" are mounted on Warbikes.

Thus, they are not the same unit as a Warbiker.
Then in Warbike description "any model mounted on a warbike adds 1 to toughness, modiefies troop type to bike, gains 4+ cover and Exhaust Cloud rule."

I do not understand why there is so much concern on this. It is a unit type, you just have to play the A+B = C game with the unit notations. As the post above mentions Wazzadakka is not a warboss in either fluff or game play. Lastly, he's hella fun to use.

njpc wrote:... in Warbike description "any model mounted on a warbike adds 1 to toughness, modiefies troop type to bike, gains 4+ cover and Exhaust Cloud rule."

Point of order, it does not say that. It says "4+armour save" not the underlined.

while Wazzdakka is a total BOSS he is not a WARboss

Look at the base of the unit selection, they are still considered nobs, not warbikers.

Much the same as a nob in a boys mob is still considered a "boy" for unit recognition. His model is a nob. Nobs w bikes are still just nobs. Only they have an equipment upgrade... A Big Mek with biker upgrade isn't wazzdakka...

Wazzdakka is a Bigmek with a Biker upgrade though. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to use his mek toolz

Jidmah, Stop trying to complicate the situation!

yea that's why I used the bigmek with biker upgrade as an example than a warboss with bike.