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So it is entered into the Imperial record, that throughout a two day marathon of Perfect Strangers, Lion El'Jonson and Leman Russ traded knuckle sandwiches, and various finishing moves from the WWE. Neither of them gained the upper hand in this fight, which is apparently comedic to space vikings (or maybe it was cousin Balke's antics.) Thinking the fight over, Russ succumbs to a capital case of the giggles. Broody as lions are, El'Jonson socks him in the kisser, finally laying him out. Cue the rivalry.

So was this the logical conclusion of a bro-fight, or a cheap shot heard for thousands of fictional years?

Friendly rivalry is how I always read it as

Yes, but knowing Lion El'Johnson's background and Lionel Johnson's, that wrestling match would soon turn for the worst...

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It wasn't a cheap shot, it was a smart fighter taking advantage of his opponent's idiocy.

Coolyo294 wrote:It wasn't a cheap shot, it was a smart fighter taking advantage of his opponent's idiocy.

wouldnt call it idocy, russ was a hell of a warrior.

AngryMarine wrote:So it is entered into the Imperial record, that throughout a two day marathon of Perfect Strangers, Lion El'Jonson and Leman Russ traded knuckle sandwiches, and various finishing moves from the WWE. Neither of them gained the upper hand in this fight, which is apparently comedic to space vikings (or maybe it was cousin Balke's antics.) Thinking the fight over, Russ succumbs to a capital case of the giggles. Broody as lions are, El'Jonson socks him in the kisser, finally laying him out. Cue the rivalry.

So was this the logical conclusion of a bro-fight, or a cheap shot heard for thousands of fictional years?

Russ started it by punching Lion for killing a planetary governor or something that insulted Russ. Russ just has a glass jaw, Lion and the Emperor both punched him out.

And that's why you should never laugh.

Buttons wrote:

AngryMarine wrote:So it is entered into the Imperial record, that throughout a two day marathon of Perfect Strangers, Lion El'Jonson and Leman Russ traded knuckle sandwiches, and various finishing moves from the WWE. Neither of them gained the upper hand in this fight, which is apparently comedic to space vikings (or maybe it was cousin Balke's antics.) Thinking the fight over, Russ succumbs to a capital case of the giggles. Broody as lions are, El'Jonson socks him in the kisser, finally laying him out. Cue the rivalry.

So was this the logical conclusion of a bro-fight, or a cheap shot heard for thousands of fictional years?

Russ started it by punching Lion for killing a planetary governor or something that insulted Russ. Russ just has a glass jaw, Lion and the Emperor both punched him out.

*The Emperor used a power fist to punch him out. Personally, I'd find it admirable that he still had a head.

As for the Russ Lion fight, it would have been seen as justified by the Lion, and very well could have been. I'm not sure of how the fight started, but if Russ started it without just cause, he can't very well complain that the Lion finished it in the same way Russ started it.

As I recall, the fight started because of a battlefield "mishap". The Wolves and DA were fighting orks, and each force had their orders. The Angels veered of course for some reason I can't recall (though I believe it was justified), without bothering to tell the wolves. This resulted in the deaths of quite a few of Russ' boys. Russ belted El'Jonson after the battle was over.

Could I get a source, please? And God this story sounds cliche and boring and everything that is wrong about the 40k fluff...

Page 20 of the Dark Angels codex tells their side of the story. I read the Wolves side (which is what I referenced above) somewhere I can't recall. I didn't see it in their codex.
Also, it wasn't orks. My memory system is corrupted. It was the Tyrant Durath, and they only fought for a day and a night before Russ found humor in it, and Jonson did what he did.

The Dark Angels left the flank of the Wolves exposed causing many of them to be killed.
Russ starting the fight was acceptable as was the Lion's sucker punch.
They subsequently dueled every time they met eventually having a friendly rivalry.
The Lion's disappearance has been noted as a possible reason for Russ heading into the EoT as he did.

So wait... Russ has been hunting the Lion in the Warp for 10, 000 years while the other dude was simply taking a nap in his home?

Worst. Hunting. Instinct. Evaaar!!!

Kovnik Obama wrote:So wait... Russ has been hunting the Lion in the Warp for 10, 000 years while the other dude was simply taking a nap in his home?

Worst. Hunting. Instinct. Evaaar!!!

Leave it to the Space Woofs to go charging out into the Eye of Freaking Terror when the bro they're looking for is right under their noses. XD

On the other hand, were I the Lion, I totally wouldn't have hit Russ, but hey, I'm not Lion. I certainly don't blame him for it, though. Just wouldn't do that myself.

Kovnik Obama wrote:So wait... Russ has been hunting the Lion in the Warp for 10, 000 years while the other dude was simply taking a nap in his home?

Worst. Hunting. Instinct. Evaaar!!!

It's one of the reasons...
The other reason was to find a magic tree to bring the Emperor back to life...
So yeah i'm thinking he had grief problems, the suppression of which may have caused somewhat lacking mental faculties...

So basically like every single one of the Primarchs except possibly Sanguinius.

Was the Lion mentally challenged? I mean, before the whole Betrayal made him go depressed... I somehow always felt that he was one of the more sensible Primarch, but little fluff is developped on him. It's usually, ''he was prideful''... well hell, he brought civilization to an entire planet. I'd be freaking proud if I did that.

Yeah, but he sucked at reading people and understanding human emotions.

There is also an implication the Lion was more than a little paranoid AFAIK...

Damn, oh how I wish the 1st Legion actually had an interesting fluff... Honestly, they could pull out a ''Newcron move'', replace 90 pourcent of the fluff of the DA, and I'd be perfectly happy with it. As long as it's something... anything... other than 'dark' this and 'lion' that all over the place...

It does seem to be a recurring trait with the Lion...

Paraphrased from 'Savage Weapon.'

"Forgive me brother."
Kurze's sneer turned puzzled for just a moment.
"For that dishonourable blow."
Wedged through the back of the Night Lords Primarches armour, was a half foot of steel which had cut clean into his torso...

Wait what the Lion backstabbed Curze?! And apoligized to him while doing so?
Feth this, the Lion just became my most favourite 40k character of all times.
Now if he could wake up and teabag Lorgar, I'll marry him (assuming the DA have repealed Don't Ask Don't tell)

He's even more likeable now that we know he's willing to put aside his honour to put down rabid dogs.

the original story with lion and russ

basically it was chaos what dun it, there was a dude (i assume this will be filled out in a HH book) in the crowd that was "subltly" influencing them to fight, was this retconned? maybe, maybe not, i dont know with GW anymore

purplefood wrote:
The Lion's disappearance has been noted as a possible reason for Russ heading into the EoT as he did.

Noted where?

Lion disappeared immediately after the Heresy. Russ hung out for a hundred years or so.

DarknessEternal wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The Lion's disappearance has been noted as a possible reason for Russ heading into the EoT as he did.

Noted where?

Lion disappeared immediately after the Heresy. Russ hung out for a hundred years or so.

I'll be honest, i can't remember where i read it.
Though i do remember it said it was only a possible reason rather than the reason.

Dark Angels take everything seriously, the Lion punched out Leman Russ in anger and left. Both sides treat it as a slight on their honor (the Dark Angels that anyone picked a fight in the first place, the Space Wolves that the Lion ended the fight with a 'cheap shot', as it were), and have a history of getting in fights, to the point that they've organized ritual duels every time members of both Chapters are in the same place in order to avoid having to disrupt whatever mission they're on to beat the crap out of each other.

Meanwhile, Rowboat Girlyman does NOTHING and 4chan makes bad puns and lolicon.

TheAngrySquig wrote:Friendly rivalry is how I always read it as

The Lion didn't have the capacity for "friendship" and was not amused. Russ was genuinely butt-hurt because he cared more about his Viking honor than practicality of warfare.

Formosa wrote:the original story with lion and russ

basically it was chaos what dun it, there was a dude (i assume this will be filled out in a HH book) in the crowd that was "subltly" influencing them to fight, was this retconned? maybe, maybe not, i dont know with GW anymore

That was never the story. Basically, they were fighting some donkey-cave Tyrant, who insulted Russ and so Russ made an oath that he will take his head. So Russ starts throwing his dudes at the gates, howling for blood. The Lion, meanwhile, ignores his impressionable brother and continues along his existing methodical plan of attack (which has the side-effect of leaving the Wolves unsupported), and manages to kill the Tyrant first. The Wolves codex claims Russ was mad over his unnecessarily loses, but if we look at his characterization throughout the BL novels, he was just mad that the Lion made a liar out of him.

Kovnik Obama wrote:Wait what the Lion backstabbed Curze?! And apoligized to him while doing so?
Feth this, the Lion just became my most favourite 40k character of all times.
Now if he could wake up and teabag Lorgar, I'll marry him (assuming the DA have repealed Don't Ask Don't tell)

He's even more likeable now that we know he's willing to put aside his honour to put down rabid dogs.

He didn't backstab him, he ran him through because he probably calculated that as being his only chance of victory. And he still got his ass kicked all over the place.

Squidmanlolz wrote:Yes, but knowing Lion El'Johnson's background and Lionel Johnson's, that wrestling match would soon turn for the worst...

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