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Right first army with high elves so thought I would try something quite experimental.

1 teclis , death

1 level 2 , death

1 level 2 , high elf

1 level 2 , high elf

38 spearmen , command

38 spearmen , command

8 shadow warriors

10 shadow warriors


I cant remember exact items, but they didnt come in handy.


I was against ogres and made me decide next game to scrap three level 2's as teclis was only mage which done anything major, and swap them for 4 bolt throwers and 3 more spearmen and make up points with more shadow warriors as acted as good decoys, so I could send more spells out before, it got to my actual army.

I like a level 4 with the book, a level 2 on fire with seerstaff, and a level 1 on beasts with the jewel of the dusk for mages.

I did think of that, but teclis pretty much will roll iressistable all the time and ignores first miscast, so just whack out top death spell 25+ to cast irresistable on any double makes any low initiative army weep when it goes correctly also being elves means I have high initiative so less chance of killing myself, if not death can pop out specific characters very easily.

Teclis is also 500 points. And that is far too much for a few irresistible spells per turn. Combine that with the fact that you have no dedicated combat units. I.E. Swordsmasters or white lions, you have an army that is totally dependent on magic as elite units like bretonnian/brettonian knight buses will tear your spears apart, so death will not be very useful. You will be better off with life. you only need a level 1 on high magic for the +1 to cast.

Long story short, get swordsmaster/Phoenix guard/white lions with a BSB.
It is a matter of personal preference mainly. I dislike phoenix guard but I know people who say they are the best special. White lions are stubborn so they are useful. Swordsmasters get more attacks. So with a unit of 20 taken 7*3 they will all get to attack.

Also, Eagles for redirecting and whatnot

Teclis will lose you points on sportsmanship and comp in tourneys, and you will find fewer and fewer people to play against in friendly games.

Leave him at home. There are other viable ways to perform well in magic without raping your opponent unmerciful.

Firstly, you've got nearly half your army tied up in characters. Big no-no. Secondly, you have 3 other mages, with the dice hog that is Teclis. To maximise Teclis, you'll be rolling 4 dice per spell minimum to get the doubles. That's 3 spells that you can get if you max out on power dice, then what are the other three mages going to do? Your going to find yourself sitting there with a ton of points tied up and not doing a thing. At most I'd keep one of those lvl 2's, as High Lore.

Next you need more bodies. You have no strong combat element. No Swordmasters or White Lions. Those are pretty much a must. Shadow Warriors are nice for targetting small vulnerable things, but their useless against big blocks of things. Your spears can throw a lot of dice at a target, but their not going to do a huge amount of damage. With a list like this, your are putting your sole means of dealing with blocks of combat troops on Teclis, and magic is to unreliable for something like that.


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Aerethan wrote:Teclis will lose you points on sportsmanship and comp in tourneys, and you will find fewer and fewer people to play against in friendly games.

Leave him at home. There are other viable ways to perform well in magic without raping your opponent unmerciful.

I laugh when I see comments like this. T2, 1 attack. Teclis is one of the easiest things in the game to kill. I rarely bring him anymore because of that. And given how expensive he is, he's usually the centerpeice of your army, so when he gets whacked, it's all about a mop up operation from then on.

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Aerethan wrote:Teclis will lose you points on sportsmanship and comp in tourneys, and you will find fewer and fewer people to play against in friendly games.

Leave him at home. There are other viable ways to perform well in magic without raping your opponent unmerciful.

I laugh when I see comments like this. T2, 1 attack. Teclis is one of the easiest things in the game to kill. I rarely bring him anymore because of that. And given how expensive he is, he's usually the centerpeice of your army, so when he gets whacked, it's all about a mop up operation from then on.

Yeah, just no. I fully understand and agree with the sportsmenship thing, too many high elf players I have met say they "need" teclis to remain competitive, yet the after event of every game I've witnessed (not played) were they've magic phase roflstomped there opponent to the floor without teclis ever meeting any real threat of being killed is an annoying one, where they seem to believe that "they are good" an army that fields teclis and wins in the magic phase which it undoubtedly will is never good and thats why I can totally see how they lose points on sportsmenship because he is complete cheese.

If I ever do unwillingly have to fight him, yes I go about it with extreme prejudice and the GG after the game will turn into a "you should have scrapped him and gone with a better army list" because I just don't agree with his magic phase domination or not so much domination but, inability to actually do anything about it even though I too have spent a good 400-500 pts on my lord lvl4 caster yet am getting walked because this guy is "speshul".


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Pretty sure Teclis is toughness 3, and his number of attacks is completely irrelevant because he's a caster not a warrior.

He is T2. Either way, I'd rather lose every game than run him as a crutch for a win.

And every wizard that isn't a hybrid(Chaos lords, Vampires) has 1 attack.

like I said since the game I played I have ditched all 3 other mages as I dont need them, the reason why I like playing teclis is because of his versatility, the same could be said for anyone which is a special character, all you see is debates about wether or not they should be used.

Well anyway the 3 mages have been dropped in my list for 4 bolt throwers and a few more spearmen, I am playing defensively, knock out armies from a distance and let the vast number of spearmen attacks mop up the rest.

Teclis is a crutch and to a certain extent so is the book of hoath.

The fact that the OP won his game when the rest of his list is so terrible (like pants on head bad) is testimony to how broken he is.

You will not become better as a player if your entire game revolves around Teclis nor make any friends or ever feel the touch of a woman.

If OP is hellbent on taking Teclis, I would advise on taking at least 20 swordsmasters/white lions and switching teclis to life magic.

Remember peeps that the big T is not all that good as people make him out to be.

In combat he folds and tears like wet toilet paper, also a note on his casting ability. Whilst he is one of the best mages in the game he MUST still roll the casting value of the spell in addition to a double to get the benefit of a IF.

I do not see Teclis as an auto win in most HE armies, it just means that the player who takes him is not a very good gamer and needs an advantage over more experienced generals.

The list above is pretty crappy and I do think the addition of bolt throwers will make it any better. I strongly suggest some white lions or sword masters.

Shadow warriors are terrible, bolt throwers are almost as terrible(still pretty bad), Reavers are terrible, Silver Helms are terrible.

While some people insist that RBT's aren't terribad, it is almost universally accepted that the others I mentioned are never to be taken.

Im gonna just try out different lists until I find something I like, Teclis may be good but their is a reason he's 475 points. All armies have something that another player doesn't like so I do not see why this has caused an argument , well I have a 5k army, which I can swap about until im happy, with my 2k.

What would people propose as a good HE list then? as have only had that one game last week.

Errr myself and anerethan are both HE players mate thats how OP Teclis even HE players think he is cheese.

As for list I usually go full combat list so that sone unit of 40 WLs one unit of 30 SMs and a big ass block of spearmen to fill core backed up by a life mage and BSB with some eagles.

However I am starting to find that the shooting list works aswell and thats fill all your core with archers take a few bolt throwers a level 4 on shadow (to debuff T of enemy so the missile fire can actaully kill stuff)BSB and two slighty smaller blocks of elites (PG and WLs about 30 each)