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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 16:01:10
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/08/biden-defends-iran-stance-we-were-the-problem/
Biden defends Iran stance: 'We were the problem'
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CNN's Marlena Baldacci
Atlanta (CNN) - Vice President Joe Biden spoke out forcefully against the Iranian government Tuesday at the Rabbinical Assembly Convention meeting, saying actions taken by the Obama White House were preventing Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. But the Romney campaign was quick to disagree.
Military assistance, coupled with financial and oil sanctions passed by the U.S. and the European Union, would cripple the Iranian economy, Biden promised.
"When we took office, let me remind you, there was virtually no international pressure on Iran. We were the problem," Biden said. "We were diplomatically isolated in the world, in the region, in Europe."
Biden continued, "We were neither fully respected by our friends nor feared by our opponents. Today is it starkly, starkly different."
The other side of the aisle struck back at Biden's comments, with GOP presidential candidate and presumptive nominee Mitt Romney's Policy Director Lanhee Chen calling foul on the placement of blame, and stating the vice president's words were "wrong and completely inappropriate."
"All too often, President Obama and his administration have sought to blame America first, yet Vice President Biden's reckless statement today blaming America for – of all things – the progress of Iran's nuclear weapons program, has reached a new low," Chen wrote. "The problem is not America. It is the ayatollahs who oppress their people, threaten their neighbors, and are pursuing nuclear weapons."
In his Tuesday remarks, Biden referenced his oft-mocked propensity for gaffes, saying, "No one has ever doubted I mean what I say. The problem is sometimes I say what I mean."
Addressing Iran's political status, Biden told the conservative group he guessed sitting Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be "gone" in two years.
Calling internal dissention within the country "real," Biden said he believed Ahmadinejad would be forced out, with Iranian parliament Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei as his replacement. Biden assured the crowd the White House's commitment to Israel was strong and railed against critics who claim otherwise. He called the pursuit of an Israeli state a goal which was in the "best interests" of the United States.
That commitment, the vice president continued, was demonstrated by a recent request made by President Barack Obama to send $3.1 billion in military assistance to Israel. He touted the request as the largest amount ever asked on behalf of the embattled country.
The Rabbinical Assembly, the international body for rabbis in Conservative Judaism, totals more than 1,600 members. Both Republican and Democratic candidates have been vying for support from the Jewish community, a source of donations and votes in key states.
A long-serving member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Biden struck a softer tone with the at-capacity room relating childhood stories about his father's affinity for the Jewish community, saying he often expressed disbelief that anyone could oppose the state of Israel.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 16:25:12
Subject: Re:Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Well, yeah, in the sense that hoping for changes in a radical and isolated country, without any strong support from the area (Israel, keep quiet, no one asked you), when your not willing to use force... isn't the most solid approach.
The U.S. had been dilapidating it's international credibility for a few years. I hope that now that forceful interventions can happen without troops deployment, this will change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 17:21:41
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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"All too often, President Obama and his administration have sought to blame America first, yet Vice President Biden's reckless statement today blaming America for – of all things – the progress of Iran's nuclear weapons program, has reached a new low," Chen wrote. "The problem is not America. It is the ayatollahs who oppress their people, threaten their neighbors, and are pursuing nuclear weapons."
If we want to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and Iran continues to develop nuclear weapons, then the problem is with our attempts to dissuade their development of nuclear weapons not with the fact that they are developing nuclear weapons. But hey, why sensibly consider how you can direct your own foreign policy when you can blame other nations for your own failings.
That said, the US international position isn't materially distinct from that of 4 years ago, so that part of the comment was off base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 17:25:31
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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And people think the Republican VP candidate was an idiot.
The things this guy says boggles the mind.
And I still think he would be a better President.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 17:36:04
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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I like Biden a lot. He's a smart fella.
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If only ZUN!bar were here... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 17:37:24
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Samus_aran115 wrote:I like Biden a lot. He's a smart fella.
Not politically.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 17:38:31
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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dogma wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:I like Biden a lot. He's a smart fella. Not politically. /sarcasm I don't mind him as a person though. He seems to have a level head on a variety of topics, and seems like an alright negotiator. Occasionally, his ideas are a little far-out, and he should use a bit more discretion though.
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If only ZUN!bar were here... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 17:45:36
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Biden has never been right on an internaitonal issue in his life. I swear they grabbed him so that Obama knows to do exactly opposite of whatever rambling statement he makes.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 20:01:15
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Frazzled wrote:Biden has never been right on an internaitonal issue in his life.
Biden's positions on international issues have been basically par for the course as regards American politicians, he's never really been uniquely correct, or glaringly wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 20:05:36
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Except for for splitting up Iraq, killing Bin Laden, and going after AlQaeda he's been completely 100% correct.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 20:09:12
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
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To be fair, who was the last sane VP?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/09 20:14:03
Subject: Biden blames the US for Iran's nuclear development
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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George Bush (Sr.)
He didn't like broccoli.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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