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I heard that assault weapons will be able to be used in close combat, that units can shoot when getting charged, and attack at initiative 10 when charging into an ongoing close combat.

Since lasguns are rapid fire, the obvious answer to your question (if what you heard is true) is no.

Tyranids however, would own face.

Just for arguments sake. If it is true, then, vet squads would do pretty well. 3 Melta, 6 shotguns, and sgt with pistol/sword.

Orkz and their shootas with a full mob of thirty, oh wait... this is Imperial Guard we are talking about.

Ogryns, Veterans, Specialist squads, Flame-Sentinels- all units that will (maybe) pwn the face off of everyone else if this is true.

I think he meant in upcoming rules. I heard they were throwing out the rapid fire rule and replacing it with assault.

Also, priests are awesome i close combat!

With Colonel Straken they wouldn't be too bad, they aren't bad with him now regardless.

Sraken actually turns those close to him into basic marines in the assault. Furious Charge is nice! The only issue really is the I3. :/

Ridiculous rumors are ridiculous.

Hello, I'm an ogryn. I'm T5 with W3, and in close combat I shoot autoshotties and have 7 S5+ attacks apiece. I just liquefied your <enter infantry unit> without batting an eye, and just did it again the next turn...

Not to mention they make a great screening unit as they are WAY taller then your other little models. ... Though it's a shame they don't have powerfists, but that might make them too brutal! lol Just add a lord commissar or Yurrick...

Yeah, Just Add Yarrick! (Sounds like a food selling gig)

Ailaros wrote:Ridiculous rumors are ridiculous.

Hello, I'm an ogryn. I'm T5 with W3, and in close combat I shoot autoshotties and have 7 S5+ attacks apiece. I just liquefied your <enter infantry unit> without batting an eye, and just did it again the next turn...

Ogryn become the biggest rape train ever.

Buttons wrote:

Ailaros wrote:Ridiculous rumors are ridiculous.

Hello, I'm an ogryn. I'm T5 with W3, and in close combat I shoot autoshotties and have 7 S5+ attacks apiece. I just liquefied your <enter infantry unit> without batting an eye, and just did it again the next turn...

Ogryn become the biggest rape train ever.

The irony would be delicious. The whiplash from people saying "ogryn are most terrible unit ever" to "OMG WHY DON"T YOU HAVE 30 OGRYN IN THIS LISTLJA:LJLSDJKF:LSDJFLSDJFLSKDJ:FLKFJDS *foams at mouth*" Would be hilarious

I'm not sure I want that. Much as I would love for the Guard's charges to just kill, that takes away some of the fun in using them.

One of my favorite things to do, at least in DoW, is to just charge everything with a storm of guardsmen. Inspiring really. It's a little lackluster when you're taking down fire warriors or something, but a Squiggoth? That's fun to watch.

MrMoustaffa wrote:

Buttons wrote:

Ailaros wrote:Ridiculous rumors are ridiculous.

Hello, I'm an ogryn. I'm T5 with W3, and in close combat I shoot autoshotties and have 7 S5+ attacks apiece. I just liquefied your <enter infantry unit> without batting an eye, and just did it again the next turn...

Ogryn become the biggest rape train ever.

The irony would be delicious. The whiplash from people saying "ogryn are most terrible unit ever" to "OMG WHY DON"T YOU HAVE 30 OGRYN IN THIS LISTLJA:LJLSDJKF:LSDJFLSDJFLSKDJ:FLKFJDS *foams at mouth*" Would be hilarious

Now I kind of hope that this rumor was true, purely for the irony.

This is a hilariously bad misconception of a rule from the pancake edition leak, so just a clarifications, assault weapons only give an extra attack if you have another CCW with it (like how pistols work now)

Never mind Guardsmen.... Hello Horrors of Tzeentch!

Buttons wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:

Buttons wrote:

Ailaros wrote:Ridiculous rumors are ridiculous.

Hello, I'm an ogryn. I'm T5 with W3, and in close combat I shoot autoshotties and have 7 S5+ attacks apiece. I just liquefied your <enter infantry unit> without batting an eye, and just did it again the next turn...

Ogryn become the biggest rape train ever.

The irony would be delicious. The whiplash from people saying "ogryn are most terrible unit ever" to "OMG WHY DON"T YOU HAVE 30 OGRYN IN THIS LISTLJA:LJLSDJKF:LSDJFLSDJFLSKDJ:FLKFJDS *foams at mouth*" Would be hilarious

Now I kind of hope that this rumor was true, purely for the irony.

The funniest part, I just realized 4 of those attacks would be S6 on the charge. So you would have 4 S6 attacks and 3 S5... holy crap that would be hilarious the first time you used them.

If this is from the "leaked" rules, then no, this is not at all true.

There were a form of overwatch, but people over-interpreted it and blew it out of proportions. Also, rapid fire didn't go away, it became different, better, and capable of Rapid Fire 3 (3 at short range, 2 at long range).

Don't get your hopes up. Shooting units will fold one-for-one against assault units, probably even if they get a jump on them.

Mahtamori wrote:
Don't get your hopes up. Shooting units will fold one-for-one against assault units, probably even if they get a jump on them.

Good, it should remain that way. However, some of the rumors still worry me, like bringing back assault after consolidation, which was turrible.

TheLordOfSins wrote:Sraken actually turns those close to him into basic marines in the assault. Furious Charge is nice! The only issue really is the I3. :/

Furious Charge would give them I4...


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Mahtamori wrote:If this is from the "leaked" rules, then no, this is not at all true.

There were a form of overwatch, but people over-interpreted it and blew it out of proportions. Also, rapid fire didn't go away, it became different, better, and capable of Rapid Fire 3 (3 at short range, 2 at long range).

Don't get your hopes up. Shooting units will fold one-for-one against assault units, probably even if they get a jump on them.

Are you saying that IG will be able to fire four shots per model with orders?

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Are you saying that IG will be able to fire four shots per model with orders?

50 man blob squad, FSFSRF, fire 185 shots, spend the rest of the day rolling dice for that one volley.

Buttons wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Are you saying that IG will be able to fire four shots per model with orders?

50 man blob squad, FSFSRF, fire 185 shots, spend the rest of the day rolling dice for that one volley.

93 hit
18 wound
6 dead

With the Current 6th Ed rules then Guard Might be a little Better with the Furious Charge Special rule would Make them a good Army in the assualt but i dont think they would Destroy but i do think that they would be better then they are now in the Assualt i mean, Unless you count Conscripts then that is just Mean.