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Alright so I hate the ratlings and the special weapons squard isn't a deticated unit of snipers (plus they only have 3 BS). So I made some rules for a sniper core basiclly guardsmen who have served for a couple of years are given a choice of countinuing in their current regiment but getting a promtion to sergent. Or they can join a specilized core like Radio communications.navy,Guard at arms(bodyguard),officer,artillty,dog handlier and many more. They are tooken out of battle for a year to be trained if theres any questins don't hesitate to ask anyway onto the stats.

So

Squard has 6 snipers Specilist Squards CANNOT be mixed.

BS: 4

WS:3

S:3

T:3

A:1

I:4

LD:8

80 points for squard (too much or too little?)

Special rules:

Scout

Battle observations: The snipers are able to give crucial information to the commander in turn this is passed onto over troops to give the army a crucial edge. Any ordanace weapons do not take pealenties for not having line of site, units are also able to re roll the distance for night fighting. Agaist the target the unit fired at.

Thanks for reading guys any advice to help me make this better would be amazing also if you would like to make suggestins for the other specilist units feel fre and once again THANKS!!!

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BS 5 is too much.
S 4 is too much.
WS 4 is too much.
I don't think all ordnance weapons should not take penalties for not having LoS and the same with [i]all/i] units being able to re-roll LoS...
Maybe if they could do so but only against the unit that the snipers fired in that turn.

purplefood wrote:Spell-check.
BS 5 is too much.
S 4 is too much.
WS 4 is too much.
I don't think all ordnance weapons should not take penalties for not having LoS and the same with [i]all/i] units being able to re-roll LoS...
Maybe if they could do so but only against the unit that the snipers fired in that turn.

Agreed with this. I think a more fair unit would be

BS4 WS3 S3 T3 A1 I3 LD7 SV+5 (sergeant has A2 and LD8)
x3 guys with sniper rifles, x2 guys with lasguns, x1 sergeant with laspistol and CCW. Everyone has flak armor and frag grenades

Special rules: Scout, Night Vision, Battle Observations

Battle Observations
Any friendly unit firing at an enemy unit that this unit has hit in the same shooting phase may either count as having LOS for purposes of barrage (but still must use minimum range) or reroll failed night fighting tests

purplefood wrote:Spell-check.
BS 5 is too much.
S 4 is too much.
WS 4 is too much.
I don't think all ordnance weapons should not take penalties for not having LoS and the same with [i]all/i] units being able to re-roll LoS...
Maybe if they could do so but only against the unit that the snipers fired in that turn.

Agreed


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Maybe 5 snipers and a sergeant instead...
Though it'd be hard to argue taking them instead of a rattling squad...
Battle Observations is the only real advantage they have..

Acegermanshepard wrote:

purplefood wrote:Spell-check.
BS 5 is too much.
S 4 is too much.
WS 4 is too much.
I don't think all ordnance weapons should not take penalties for not having LoS and the same with [i]all/i] units being able to re-roll LoS...
Maybe if they could do so but only against the unit that the snipers fired in that turn.

Agreed


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Agreed with this. I think a more fair unit would be

BS4 WS3 S3 T3 A1 I3 LD7 SV+5 (sergeant has A2 and LD8)
x3 guys with sniper rifles, x2 guys with lasguns, x1 sergeant with laspistol and CCW. Everyone has flak armor and frag grenades

But then thats not a sniper unit in that case the special weapons team would be a better unit for snipers with six snipers instead of three.

Or, you know, a legitimate sniper team. Two guys per unit, a sniper and a spotter. Together, they have BS 5, but if either are killed, they have BS4 (not too much worse, since they are both trained snipers).

They use a Sniper weapon that doesn't suck (see the rework an underwhelming weapon thread, which may or may not be on the second page).

A couple of these units makes up a single FOC slot choice (probably Elite or Heavy Support).

I use Imperial Guard sniper models (converted lasguns) as counts-as Ratlings. I'm happy enough with those

McNinja wrote:Or, you know, a legitimate sniper team. Two guys per unit, a sniper and a spotter. Together, they have BS 5, but if either are killed, they have BS4 (not too much worse, since they are both trained snipers).

They use a Sniper weapon that doesn't suck (see the rework an underwhelming weapon thread, which may or may not be on the second page).

A couple of these units makes up a single FOC slot choice (probably Elite or Heavy Support).

My thoughts are like a heavy weapon team, BS 5, if it takes a wound it becomes BS 4.

McNinja wrote:Or, you know, a legitimate sniper team. Two guys per unit, a sniper and a spotter. Together, they have BS 5, but if either are killed, they have BS4 (not too much worse, since they are both trained snipers).

They use a Sniper weapon that doesn't suck (see the rework an underwhelming weapon thread, which may or may not be on the second page).

A couple of these units makes up a single FOC slot choice (probably Elite or Heavy Support).

That's a idea I like.


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motyak wrote:

Acegermanshepard wrote:

purplefood wrote:Spell-check.
BS 5 is too much.
S 4 is too much.
WS 4 is too much.
I don't think all ordnance weapons should not take penalties for not having LoS and the same with [i]all/i] units being able to re-roll LoS...
Maybe if they could do so but only against the unit that the snipers fired in that turn.

Agreed


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Agreed with this. I think a more fair unit would be

BS4 WS3 S3 T3 A1 I3 LD7 SV+5 (sergeant has A2 and LD8)
x3 guys with sniper rifles, x2 guys with lasguns, x1 sergeant with laspistol and CCW. Everyone has flak armor and frag grenades

But then thats not a sniper unit in that case the special weapons team would be a better unit for snipers with six snipers instead of three.

Its better because special weapon units are BS3 and can also only have 3 snipers, don't know who you are thinking of...

It also only says that three must. You may be right but its a tricky issue otherwise I would love to make one with 6 flamers.

White Ninja wrote:It also only says that three must. You may be right but its a tricky issue otherwise I would love to make one with 6 flamers.

Make em.

WhiteBishop wrote:I use Imperial Guard sniper models (converted lasguns) as counts-as Ratlings. I'm happy enough with those

This is a vastly better idea. Not only is it completely legal, but it's cheaper and (apparently?) better than what you're suggesting.