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Could anyone sum up the Dark Angels story ending in the new book "The Primarch's". I'm having a little trouble understanding.

Does the Lion know about Luther?

Is he with or against the Imperium? Or neither?

What is his plan?

The impression I got from it was basically something like this, in response to your questions:

- He doesn't know about Luther. He seems to suspect something may be at jeopardy with his Legion, but he doesn't seem to know the danger it/he is in and what Luther is up to. The Lion seems to have his priorities elsewhere, namely Guilliman and stopping Horus in the immediate, I think the part about the 'even if it costs me my Legion' is supposed to be dramatic irony and foreshadowing, as well as showing his suspicions but otherwise ignorance.

- As for his allegiance, well it's not with Horus, that's for sure. It seems he's going to go kick the Night Lords butt, then meet up with Guilliman and either work with Roboute for whatever his plans for humanity are (implied before that Guilliman might want to inherit the Imperium after the Emperor/Horus duke it out - Imperial Secondus), or try to convince Roboute to work with/for the Big E, rather than try to 'replace' him. That's the impression I got at least.

I am definitely growing to like the more recent portrayals of the Lion - kudos to AD-B in particular for this. I recall reading sometime about the Lion being amongst the strongest (mentally) of all the Primarchs, as Chaos had always tried to bring him to their cause etc. (see its presence on Caliban, and the previous mentions of the traitor Primarchs in Argel Tals(?) dream) but never succeeded; so at the least, the Lion is definitely anti-Chaos, but not necessarily (but seemingly) pro-Emperor.

fate weaver trying to convice the lion... priceless

I just finished reading the Dark Angels story in 'The Primarchs'.

I've got to say that after that read I'm loving the lion. There is so much more mistery that surround the legion now which keeps making it a stronger fansination. The Lion comes across as his own man but is he tampering with parts of Chaos? Does he think he has a handle on the situation or are they bending him to their will? Or is this just not true at all ????

One thing that does make me wonder is that he has some concerns about who is who and what sides people have taken but when the death guard confirms their traitor background at that moment you'd think that he'd simply anihilate them..... but no he lets them go on their merry way. This makes me think that he has his own agenda, but what that is I have no idea. The book also alludes to the fact that Guillimanis has also plans of his own which he diagrees with.

Also what was the little creature at the end? And what was the Alien on the planet? Was it a C'tan?

So many questions, but thats what makes this series so great eh? I'm loving the Lion after this read and he and his legion have just shot up to being my favourite.

DILL3NGER wrote:Also what was the little creature at the end?

One of the Watchers in the Dark I guess.

DILL3NGER wrote:And what was the Alien on the planet? Was it a C'tan?

Dunno, some Dark age of Technology tech or some advanced alien machine.

Didn't enjoy the story that much in all honesty, I just can't get on with Gav's writing, but I did like Typhon in this. What do you make of the Grave Wardens, already a Death Guard splinter faction?

Yeah, pretty sure the little fella was a watcher.

I liked the story personally, didn't encounter any problems with Gav Thorpes writing like you and others have reported and I'm liking the Lions image in recent novels.

I think the Grave Wardens are basically just the 1st company under Typhus' command, so they'd somewhat be a splinter faction as Typhus is a rebellious little blighter.

Just Dave wrote:I liked the story personally, didn't encounter any problems with Gav Thorpes writing like you and others have reported and I'm liking the Lions image in recent novels.

Despite of the more corny aspects of Nick's story, I actually preferred that. I think he does Iron Hands better than he does Salamanders. Nicks starting to get the idea I think, I haven't really enjoyed anything he has done so far.

Just Dave wrote:I think the Grave Wardens are basically just the 1st company under Typhus' command, so they'd somewhat be a splinter faction as Typhus is a rebellious little blighter.

Would the whole of the first company be aboard the Terminus Est, or maybe it's just the Marines that are stationed aboard it?

Edit: Ah, just the ones under his command, and obviously on board the Terminus Est Missed the 'just'.

Just Dave wrote:The impression I got from it was basically something like this, in response to your questions:

- He doesn't know about Luther. He seems to suspect something may be at jeopardy with his Legion, but he doesn't seem to know the danger it/he is in and what Luther is up to. The Lion seems to have his priorities elsewhere, namely Guilliman and stopping Horus in the immediate, I think the part about the 'even if it costs me my Legion' is supposed to be dramatic irony and foreshadowing, as well as showing his suspicions but otherwise ignorance.

- As for his allegiance, well it's not with Horus, that's for sure. It seems he's going to go kick the Night Lords butt, then meet up with Guilliman and either work with Roboute for whatever his plans for humanity are (implied before that Guilliman might want to inherit the Imperium after the Emperor/Horus duke it out - Imperial Secondus), or try to convince Roboute to work with/for the Big E, rather than try to 'replace' him. That's the impression I got at least.

I am definitely growing to like the more recent portrayals of the Lion - kudos to AD-B in particular for this. I recall reading sometime about the Lion being amongst the strongest (mentally) of all the Primarchs, as Chaos had always tried to bring him to their cause etc. (see its presence on Caliban, and the previous mentions of the traitor Primarchs in Argel Tals(?) dream) but never succeeded; so at the least, the Lion is definitely anti-Chaos, but not necessarily (but seemingly) pro-Emperor.

Weirdly, I read this very differently (or at least, as much as I could through Gav Thorpe's writing, which I'm not a fan of at all!)

I was of the opinion that the Lion may have been persuaded to 'sit neutral' until he sees who is coming out on top. He's got his own agenda in attacking the Night Lords, but that has nothing to do with the Heresy. He doesn't agree with Horus, but he also doesn't agree with Guilliman. Weirdly, this is what the rumours always suggested of the Dark Angels - that they sat on their heels during the heresy doing nothing.

The one thing I LIKE about the current portrayal of the Lion is that he comes across as a bit of a gakker. He's arrogant, petulant and only concerned for himself, and woefully bad at 'understanding' mortals. It's good to give the Primarchs some realistic flaws...

He's not afraid of throwing a beat down on his Chaplin either.

On the whole I agree with the sit and wait theory.

I read it differently again. A big thing with the Lion is his inability to understand other people's emotions. With that in mind I think he assumes that if the war is made to drag out with no Legion having an obvious advantage then Horus would see the futilty of the war and back down and they can all focus on rebuilding what was lost.

I was shocked at his ruthless murder of one of his warriors for disagreeing with him. I think it could come up in the follow up to Fallen Angels, Zahariel seemed suspicious of the events surrounding Luther's rebellion but if he learns what happened to his cousin it could firmly set him on the path against the Imperium.