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Camo netting is a really mediocre upgrade that I think needs a boost. I'd like to see it have a much more dynamic function rather than being all-or-nothing like it is now.

Camo netting: The vehicle gets a cumulative +1 to coversaves under the following circumstances:
-Did not move previous turn
-Did not fire previous turn
-In cover

If the vehicle was in the open and did not move, it would get a 6+ coversave. If it didnt move OR shoot, a 5+ coversave. If it was in cover, the camo netting would still confer a +1 bonus, so you'd have a 3+ coversave if you moved and fired, but if you didnt move/shoot now you have a 2+ coversave!

Not bad, but kind of complicated.

A 2+ cover save seems a bit excessive for essentially a cloth drape, and having a camouflage cover while inside a dense thicket seems a bit redundant.

Perhaps simply make it if the model did not move, or did not shoot, it gets a 5+ cover save, and if the model is in cover, it's cover save improves to a 3+ (Overriding any move/shoot cover bonuses from the camo)?

That sounds fair. It definitely gives versatility. If your opponent starts first on the first turn, your camo'ed vehicles will at least get some cover.

Before people stsrt complaining coversaves is OP with these rules, remember your vehicle probably didnt move, making it particularly vulnerable in assault.

Plus, you could always add in something like with the Tau Disruption Pods: Any shots within 12" ignore these bonuses, to further prevent abuses.

Why are Camo Nets useless?

I've given 3 Deathstrike missles them and i'm hoping there gonna rock the table!

They're not useless, but they're best used on something like Deathstrikes or stationary artillery.

Plus, unless your Deathstrike is in terrain or obscured by another vehicle and getting cover already, you'll only be getting a 6+ cover save vs shots. If you think that's worth the 30 pts, then more power to you, but the 90 points you're spending on your deathstrikes could be used better imo.

Manticores REALLY need that power boost, don't they?

Manticores do need camonetting if they are not submerged in cover already. Camonoetting allows the stealth rule right? So that is +1 to cover already. Manticores are a huge target and fragile chassis so need the netting.

The issue is you're paying 20+ points (Can't recall the exact total atm) for a 6+ save. If that's worth it to protect against ~16.5% of all shots against it from stopping the templates, that's fine, but that's a lot of points for not a lot of protection for something that, while nice, is probably not the sole backbone of your army.

darkPrince010 wrote:They're not useless, but they're best used on something like Deathstrikes or stationary artillery.

Plus, unless your Deathstrike is in terrain or obscured by another vehicle and getting cover already, you'll only be getting a 6+ cover save vs shots. If you think that's worth the 30 pts, then more power to you, but the 90 points you're spending on your deathstrikes could be used better imo.

Not true, a model with Stealth can never have a 6+ Cover save, unless there is an enemy special ability that worsens cover saves. If you are out in the open, Stealth does nothing.

But it improves your cover save by +1. When in the open, your cover save is nothing, so improving it by +1 results in a 6+ save.

I'm not certain it works like that...

It speciffically says for things that add +1 to invunerable saves that if the model DOES NOT have one already it makes it have a 6+ or 5+ or whatever.

There is no mention of this in stealth

It doesn't say that explicitly, but neither does it explicitly say, like some wargear, that it adds +1 to the save IF AND ONLY IF the unit already had that save.

I know everyone I've ever played against uses RAI to mean that you get a 6+ save if in the open.

I don't know I think that the camo coats are a good upgrade for the points coast but you do make some good points.

my idea for camo net was this


a vehicle with a camo net may deploy at the infiltration stage, but only inside its deployment zone (scout moves taken normally)
cost is dependent on AV
AV10-11 10pts per model
AV12-13 20pts per model
AV 14 30pts per model

so the idea is that you can choose to see where your oponent puts hit anti armour assets and ajust acordingly