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 Ouze wrote:
Anyway, it will be a few days until there is an update to this thread - Friday or Monday.

Would anyone care to guess if she is going to comply?

She won't - she will be asked to step down. When she doesn't she will be fired. There will be lawsuits - which she will lose. Then all evangelicals can complain about how they are being persecuted because they can't impose their own religious beliefs on onto others.

In the end she is getting what she wants. She wants her 15 minutes and possible "martyrdom". She already has Huckaboo up there holding hands with her.

 Xenomancers wrote:
[She won't - she will be asked to step down. When she doesn't she will be fired. There will be lawsuits - which she will lose. Then all evangelicals can complain about how they are being persecuted because they can't impose their own religious beliefs on onto others.

She is an elected official and cannot be fired.

The rest of those things have already happened though.

 Ouze wrote:
That's a bold gambit. I'd have to think if she dismisses all of the clerks and then claims that no one there can issue licenses, she may skate a little past the "Fox News Guest/Book Tour/Speaking Circuit" and into "actually going to jail, for reals."

She's already been referred to the state AG for misconduct, after all.

However, I can't presume to know her mindset. Perhaps she sees herself as a Masadan.

Masadan - did you mean Mastodon?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That's a bold gambit. I'd have to think if she dismisses all of the clerks and then claims that no one there can issue licenses, she may skate a little past the "Fox News Guest/Book Tour/Speaking Circuit" and into "actually going to jail, for reals."

She's already been referred to the state AG for misconduct, after all.

However, I can't presume to know her mindset. Perhaps she sees herself as a Masadan.

Masadan - did you mean Mastodon?

Blessed visionary
Cut me with your sun
The rivers ran in blood
Spark fueled to fire
Deep within this endless void
Searching for a sign
The vessel forged inside of me
Watches over like the death of the moon

 Vash108 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That's a bold gambit. I'd have to think if she dismisses all of the clerks and then claims that no one there can issue licenses, she may skate a little past the "Fox News Guest/Book Tour/Speaking Circuit" and into "actually going to jail, for reals."

She's already been referred to the state AG for misconduct, after all.

However, I can't presume to know her mindset. Perhaps she sees herself as a Masadan.

Masadan - did you mean Mastodon?

Blessed visionary
Cut me with your sun
The rivers ran in blood
Spark fueled to fire
Deep within this endless void
Searching for a sign
The vessel forged inside of me
Watches over like the death of the moon

I have that album on limited edition blue vinyl.


On topic, I'm glad I don't live in America so I don't have to put up with this nonsense.

I don't think she would dismiss all of them right off the bat, but Mr. Mason (deputy clerk from the article you posted) stands a good chance if he defies her.

 Ouze wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
[She won't - she will be asked to step down. When she doesn't she will be fired. There will be lawsuits - which she will lose. Then all evangelicals can complain about how they are being persecuted because they can't impose their own religious beliefs on onto others.

She is an elected official and cannot be fired.

The rest of those things have already happened though.

Impeachment then - might take some time. However in the meantime she can be replaced.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That's a bold gambit. I'd have to think if she dismisses all of the clerks and then claims that no one there can issue licenses, she may skate a little past the "Fox News Guest/Book Tour/Speaking Circuit" and into "actually going to jail, for reals."

She's already been referred to the state AG for misconduct, after all.

However, I can't presume to know her mindset. Perhaps she sees herself as a Masadan.

Masadan - did you mean Mastodon?

No, as in the Siege of Masada.

So far as impeachment and removal goes, legislature is not in session until January. I think the governor can remove her if she's convicted of that charge they referred to the AG? But I'm not 100% sure of the details on that.

 Vash108 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That's a bold gambit. I'd have to think if she dismisses all of the clerks and then claims that no one there can issue licenses, she may skate a little past the "Fox News Guest/Book Tour/Speaking Circuit" and into "actually going to jail, for reals."

She's already been referred to the state AG for misconduct, after all.

However, I can't presume to know her mindset. Perhaps she sees herself as a Masadan.

Masadan - did you mean Mastodon?

Blessed visionary
Cut me with your sun
The rivers ran in blood
Spark fueled to fire
Deep within this endless void
Searching for a sign
The vessel forged inside of me
Watches over like the death of the moon

Nice!


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 Ouze wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That's a bold gambit. I'd have to think if she dismisses all of the clerks and then claims that no one there can issue licenses, she may skate a little past the "Fox News Guest/Book Tour/Speaking Circuit" and into "actually going to jail, for reals."

She's already been referred to the state AG for misconduct, after all.

However, I can't presume to know her mindset. Perhaps she sees herself as a Masadan.

Masadan - did you mean Mastodon?

No, as in the Siege of Masada.

So far as impeachment and removal goes, legislature is not in session until January. I think the governor can remove her if she's convicted of that charge they referred to the AG? But I'm not 100% sure of the details on that.

Apologies - I had never heard that term before - and I really wanted to say Mastodon too so. Again...apologies.

I don't think anyone should ever apologize for working in a metal reference.

I feel worse for her deputies, that are most likely going to be fired for her 'cause'

So do we know if she went back to work and actually started doing her job or did the prison time not work?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So do we know if she went back to work and actually started doing her job or did the prison time not work?

I believe she said she is going to keep doing what she was doing. Also I would imagine her ego is stoked even more that she has a presidential candidate on her side now.

Well, I hope she enjoys prison lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Well, I hope she enjoys prison lol.

Either way she kind of wins.

She wins by either continuing doing what she is doing.

She wins by going to jail for "martyrdom" and making talk circuits

According to the news blurb I saw.. she intends to return to work "Friday or Monday" she has not decided.

However, she does feel that she was "in the right" and sees no reason to change her stance.

EVEN though Survivor has issued a Cease and Desist over the Press Conference soundtrack.

(Not sure HOW that will be enforced)

EDIT:

(got suckered, parody site)

I like how this will all blow over by the time the legislature goes in session and ousts here; by then the media will be on to another "issue" and everyone will have forgotten about her.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones that do not agree with her idiocy but will be painted with the same brush i.e. Christians and Conservatives.

But not the people who couldn't get married because of her tomfoolery?

 Ashiraya wrote:
But not the people who couldn't get married because of her tomfoolery?

I doubt anyone could not get married due to her tomfoolery. It is pretty easy to go to another county.

 CptJake wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
But not the people who couldn't get married because of her tomfoolery?

I doubt anyone could not get married due to her tomfoolery. It is pretty easy to go to another county.

The point is, that they shouldn't have to

 Ashiraya wrote:
But not the people who couldn't get married because of her tomfoolery?

I empathize with them, but do not feel bad for them, no. It isn't as if the system wasn't going to weed her out and eventually return to work giving out licenses as prescribed by the law, which it has done; the people that are there fighting for their rights don't need my sympathy either. Also, I am referring to this situation specifically, not all people in all situations.

 CptJake wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
But not the people who couldn't get married because of her tomfoolery?

I doubt anyone could not get married due to her tomfoolery. It is pretty easy to go to another county.

To quote the findings of the ruling:

- The people live in the county.
- The people have ties to the county
- The people pay taxes in their county
- The people want to get service from "their" county
- People in the community might not have the means to drive to the next county
- Half the other county clerks in the state are already on record stating that they also object to gay marriage and they are waiting on the outcome of this whole mess, so if one county gets away with it then half the state might not issue licenses
- there is zero reason why anyone should have to go anywhere just because one chick refuses to follow the law

And about none of that prevents anyone who really feels the urge to get married NOW from going to the neighboring county.

No, they should not have to. I get that. But this did not prevent anyone who really wanted to from getting married. It just didn't.

 Psienesis wrote:
I am especially amused by the crowd of ignorant savages gathering around the house of the judge to find him "in contempt of God's court" (their words) when, in fact, Jesus told them to obey the law of the land.

You keep saying this over and over...so according to you in order to be a good german christian in nazi germany they should have never hidden jews..because afterall it was"THE LAW OF THE LAND" to hand over any hiding jews..if the gestapo was looking for them. So all of those christians that hid jews or really anyone from the nazis... were bad christians... or what about those nasty Christians who broke the law and helped negros escape the south in the underground railroad.....or what about those hypocritical christians that helped indians break the law during the time of Gandhi...or what about those Christians who refused to consider Caesar god and who were fed to the lions...what a bunch of hypocrites eh?

And adolf Eichmann was A good christian in your eyes because he obeyed the law of the land in nazi germany, and helped to kill Jews.

You need to read up on righteous civil disobedience and Christianity.

You also might want to read up on what a "virtuous lie" is..lying is also forbidden, but if you have to lie in order to save someones life(hiding jews from gestapo for example), the saving of a persons life overrides the prohibition on lying.

Things are not always as black and white as you would like to make them. That's why you need context.

GG

 generalgrog wrote:
You keep saying this over and over...so according to you in order to be a good german christian in nazi germany they should have never hidden jews..because afterall it was"THE LAW OF THE LAND" to hand over any hiding jews..if the gestapo was looking for them. So all of those christians that hid jews or really anyone from the nazis... were bad christians... or what about those nasty Christians who broke the law and helped negros escape the south in the underground railroad.....or what about those hypocritical christians that helped indians break the law during the time of Gandhi...or what about those Christians who refused to consider Caesar god and who were fed to the lions...what a bunch of hypocrites eh?

All of those things are certainly comparable to a woman who resuses to sign marriage certificates because she thinks her personal opinion on who should be allowed to marry is more important than the rest of the country's...

That's the most whiplash inducing Godwin that I have seen in a long time.

Linking one side of the argument or the other to supporting the holocaust is hardly a polite way to argue. Do not follow that line of argument, it's rude and will lead to consequences.

 insaniak wrote:

All of those things are certainly comparable to a woman who resuses to sign marriage certificates because she thinks her personal opinion on who should be allowed to marry is more important than the rest of the country's...

To be fair, the people of her state, and other sates clearly have the same opinion which is why they passed laws defining marriage as between a man and a woman. 75% of KY voters voted to amend their state constitution to further amplify their desire (same sex marriages were already illegal). http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-02-ky-initiative-gay-marriage_x.htm

So if her county voted along that trend, she is doing what the folks who elected her wanted her to do.