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Games Workshop are clearly producing stock at their capacity rate, yet still sell out. Until they can develop further production facilities (from what I understand the factory is almost constantly running) demand is exceeding supply so the market suggests prices for new releases should be higher.

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Plasma weapons should overheat on unmodified hit rolls of 1, that cannot be rerolled
   
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Hankovitch wrote:
If they have more than 5 wounds, killing an opponent's named character should be worth victory points. Ten thousand orks dying to slay Guilliman is a victory for the orks.

Of course, that comment should be irrelevant, because primarchs shouldn't be playable in matched play.


I agree absolutely.




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 Strg Alt wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Thanks to the Horus Heresy novels, Ultramarines are actually kind of cool...




 AegisGrimm wrote:

-2nd edition was really not bad to play if everyone involved played with restraint.

So long as you didn't play against Eldar, or either of the two particularly nasty Space Wolf builds, 2nd edition was the bomb.


Playing with restraint is recommended with each edition of 40K as each can be broken by a particular combination of units. 2nd was by far the most detailed version of 40K and thanks to the Dark Millenium boxed set provided you with a plethora of great templates and even rules for constructing your own vehicles. The last one was especially an Ork´s wet dream. And nowadays afaik the Orks can´t even bring a looted wagon to the battlefield. LOL!


After 8th I am even more convinced the 2nd was and remains the best that GW will ever produce. They could resurrect it and retcon all the most recent primaris girlyman bad dream garbage but why waste good... Ummm... Bad IP right? Anyways i wish that they would.


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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
There should be an official inquisitor in 40k names "Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau". He was the first named inquisitor in the original rogue trader book and should be made a character.



He could have the Clouseau rule which means attacks aimed at him have a chance of hitting a nearby friendly model.

And look at this guy, you know you want to paint him.



The RPG elements should return. There should be less board gamey dice rolling math hammer and more identification with the warlord and personalization even where this doesnt add up to win buttons and min max optimization.

Instead GW went the other way with monopose sprue design to ward off second supplier shoulder pad replacement and orher modification and the toyification of ork vehicles with admittedly fun though again monopose buggy designs with trademark names that no one wants to use or remember and special rules that could be associated with hobbyist mods but that are difficult to convert and even worse that go together in an all of nothing SuperBuggy(tm)(cr) prepackage.

Hasbro wanna be posers have taken over the ship.
This is the true Heresy of our era.
Will will stand idly by and see the old gods laid so low for what? Corporate greed?
Do we sell our loyalty to the vision of the emporer for plastic crack and Duncan's voice repeating over and over <paint name> (tm)(cr) thin coats.... Thin coats....
Wake brothers and to arms. Take that snazzwagon(tm) (cr) and cut it up. Chop it in half. Modify it and make it your own for today we hobby and tomorrow GW will have lobbied the thugs in government to make it illegal. It is their IP after all...

Oh and this terrain here. This is hard cover. You get a minus 2 to hit. And cannot target models that are not visible to firing models so without LoS you wont be removing casualties. Yeah my dudes dont run into machine guns from cover just because the rest of their unit got caught in the open and one more thing... Plasma explodes on an unmodified 1. Every time. Just that easy...

O yeah. And every faction has something like plasma. That is some weapon tech that fills a hole in their available tools but that is just outside their abilities to manage and maintain. So orks have lots of gunz that explode on 1s and even eldar have distort cannons which might drift onto their own units if their intended target is close enough due the nature of ripping holes in the fabric of the universe... And so on and so on...
Color does not equal complexity.

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The Taurox/Taurox Prime looks fine. Maybe structurally silly with weapons placements, but it is fine looking.

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 Apple Peel wrote:
The Taurox/Taurox Prime looks fine. Maybe structurally silly with weapons placements, but it is fine looking.

I think it would look better with wheels in the front instead of tracks, but keep the tracks in the back. That way it looks like a half track.

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 jeff white wrote:
Hankovitch wrote:
If they have more than 5 wounds, killing an opponent's named character should be worth victory points. Ten thousand orks dying to slay Guilliman is a victory for the orks.

Of course, that comment should be irrelevant, because primarchs shouldn't be playable in matched play.


I agree absolutely.




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 Strg Alt wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Thanks to the Horus Heresy novels, Ultramarines are actually kind of cool...




 AegisGrimm wrote:

-2nd edition was really not bad to play if everyone involved played with restraint.

So long as you didn't play against Eldar, or either of the two particularly nasty Space Wolf builds, 2nd edition was the bomb.


Playing with restraint is recommended with each edition of 40K as each can be broken by a particular combination of units. 2nd was by far the most detailed version of 40K and thanks to the Dark Millenium boxed set provided you with a plethora of great templates and even rules for constructing your own vehicles. The last one was especially an Ork´s wet dream. And nowadays afaik the Orks can´t even bring a looted wagon to the battlefield. LOL!


After 8th I am even more convinced the 2nd was and remains the best that GW will ever produce. They could resurrect it and retcon all the most recent primaris girlyman bad dream garbage but why waste good... Ummm... Bad IP right? Anyways i wish that they would.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Techpriestsupport wrote:
There should be an official inquisitor in 40k names "Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau". He was the first named inquisitor in the original rogue trader book and should be made a character.



He could have the Clouseau rule which means attacks aimed at him have a chance of hitting a nearby friendly model.

And look at this guy, you know you want to paint him.



The RPG elements should return. There should be less board gamey dice rolling math hammer and more identification with the warlord and personalization even where this doesnt add up to win buttons and min max optimization.

Instead GW went the other way with monopose sprue design to ward off second supplier shoulder pad replacement and orher modification and the toyification of ork vehicles with admittedly fun though again monopose buggy designs with trademark names that no one wants to use or remember and special rules that could be associated with hobbyist mods but that are difficult to convert and even worse that go together in an all of nothing SuperBuggy(tm)(cr) prepackage.

Hasbro wanna be posers have taken over the ship.
This is the true Heresy of our era.
Will will stand idly by and see the old gods laid so low for what? Corporate greed?
Do we sell our loyalty to the vision of the emporer for plastic crack and Duncan's voice repeating over and over <paint name> (tm)(cr) thin coats.... Thin coats....
Wake brothers and to arms. Take that snazzwagon(tm) (cr) and cut it up. Chop it in half. Modify it and make it your own for today we hobby and tomorrow GW will have lobbied the thugs in government to make it illegal. It is their IP after all...

Oh and this terrain here. This is hard cover. You get a minus 2 to hit. And cannot target models that are not visible to firing models so without LoS you wont be removing casualties. Yeah my dudes dont run into machine guns from cover just because the rest of their unit got caught in the open and one more thing... Plasma explodes on an unmodified 1. Every time. Just that easy...

O yeah. And every faction has something like plasma. That is some weapon tech that fills a hole in their available tools but that is just outside their abilities to manage and maintain. So orks have lots of gunz that explode on 1s and even eldar have distort cannons which might drift onto their own units if their intended target is close enough due the nature of ripping holes in the fabric of the universe... And so on and so on...
Color does not equal complexity.



I wouldn't say this customizable warlord idea is unpopular at all.
Especially for certain armies it was way better, (renegades in 7th) now the index might aswell be named a bunch of murderhobos raided a munitorum Arsenal.

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8th edition is the best edition of 40k ever produced.

There is nothing wrong with min-maxing, soup, aiming to win, etc.

Rules should be tight as possible and followed to the letter.

40k has massively benefitted from the removal of garbage-tier lore like the fabled Obiwan Inquisitor.

The loss of templates and random scatter dice was potentially the greatest triumph for the forces of good in the 21st century.

99.9% of 40k memes are not, and never will be funny. Anyone who still posts Angry Marine/Heresy! memes should be deported to some kind of labour camp.

The Astra Militarum/Imperial Guard community possesses a horrendous tendency to repeat the same jokes, anecdotes and stories - all of which come down to "Isn't it cool that there's normal people fighting against super soldiers!" It's not. It's really, really not.

CAAC is worse than WAAC.

Cheating at tournaments should be some sort of capital offence punished by roaming firing teams.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Come up with a cogent argument that doesn't just attack your opponent but rather attacks the points he is making, and show some understanding of what those against the table are saying (it's not about 'Lol complaining about a random table in a game about dice'), or leave the damned thread.

 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:

Here's a Dakka-specific one - people who don't use the spoiler tags, especially when quoting massive posts to add a couple of lines to the end, should get more MOD attention than they do...

Report them when you see them. Otherwise, we can only do anything about them if we happen to stumble across them...

   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:

Here's a Dakka-specific one - people who don't use the spoiler tags, especially when quoting massive posts to add a couple of lines to the end, should get more MOD attention than they do...

Report them when you see them. Otherwise, we can only do anything about them if we happen to stumble across them...


It is annoying as heck for Mobile use to make spoilers.

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Norway.

"Vs army" specific rules and stratagems don't belong in Matched play.
It is narrative themed rules that don't belong in a competitive game.

-Wibe. 
   
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 Wibe wrote:
"Vs army" specific rules and stratagems don't belong in Matched play.
It is narrative themed rules that don't belong in a competitive game.


Kinda agree, as much as i like f.e. DttfE

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GET RID OF MUTILATORS.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Beyond that back on the thread, GET RID OF MUTILATORS.


We fall afoul of each other again!!!

I think the opinion of Mutilators being awesome is much more unpopular. I swear I must have been the only one to use them in 6/7th!
   
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nareik wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Beyond that back on the thread, GET RID OF MUTILATORS.


We fall afoul of each other again!!!

I think the opinion of Mutilators being awesome is much more unpopular. I swear I must have been the only one to use them in 6/7th!


You are right, actually, get rid of mini dexes and fold them into bigger ones (not GK, Assasins, etc but inquisition.)
Remove knights completely in games off 2000 pts and under.

Remove mechanics and abilities that ignore base mechanics. F.e Don't allow relic jumps to ignore overwatch.

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PiñaColada wrote:
Plasma weapons should overheat on unmodified hit rolls of 1, that cannot be rerolled


No no, they can re roll a hit, but every natural 1 rolled causes a overheat, not just final results.
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:

Here's a Dakka-specific one - people who don't use the spoiler tags, especially when quoting massive posts to add a couple of lines to the end, should get more MOD attention than they do...

Report them when you see them. Otherwise, we can only do anything about them if we happen to stumble across them...


It is annoying as heck for Mobile use to make spoilers.


Then trim the response down to just the bit you're actually replying to.

Having said that, what is so hard about manually typing the two spoiler tags on mobile?

See also: huge freaking images not being put in spoiler tags.

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I hate when people 'quote' entire posts that contain dozens of lines of text, images and everything. One has to scroll past all that stuff again. Very enjoyable, especially on mobile phone.


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 Hawky wrote:
I hate when people 'quote' entire posts that contain dozens of lines of text, images and everything. One has to scroll past all that stuff again. Very enjoyable, especially on mobile phone.


Pretty sure this is a very popular opinion.

Here's one that will likely be unpopular:

All of the new Chaos marines so far have been kind of underwhelming, with the exception of Obsidius Mallex. The BSF Black Legion models are really chunky-looking in terms of proportions. Haarken is even worse. Somehow his posing and proportions make him look extremely squat and he neither feels like a nimble jump pack Raptor nor a hulking Chaos lord. It's like the sculptor was trying to go both directions and ended up with this weird, squat middle ground. Many of the new CSM sculpts seem to be characterized by a strange sense of unintended chonk.

Peak CSM are still the DV Chosen.

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 slave.entity wrote:
 Hawky wrote:
I hate when people 'quote' entire posts that contain dozens of lines of text, images and everything. One has to scroll past all that stuff again. Very enjoyable, especially on mobile phone.


Pretty sure this is a very popular opinion.

Here's one that will likely be unpopular:

All of the new Chaos marines so far have been kind of underwhelming, with the exception of Obsidius Mallex. The BSF Black Legion models are really chunky-looking in terms of proportions. Haarken is even worse. Somehow his posing and proportions make him look extremely squat and he neither feels like a nimble jump pack Raptor nor a hulking Chaos lord. It's like the sculptor was trying to go both directions and ended up with this weird, squat middle ground. Many of the new CSM sculpts seem to be characterized by a strange sense of unintended chonk.

Peak CSM are still the DV Chosen.


I can agree with you, albeit do you regard raptors as good models or bad?

Harkon is imo just terrible, and DG is ehhhh. (DG really depends on how they are painted.)

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Not Online!!! wrote:

It is annoying as heck for Mobile use to make spoilers.

Long press, select all, then press the Spoiler button.

   
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Angron was right about the hypocrisy of the Emperor.

Russ knows he is a hypocrit.

The 40k Space Wolves are the worst Marine faction by far, they are laughably awful. Wolf Claus riding his wolf sleigh pulled by wolves wearing, wolf fur and wielding wolf weapons.

The Lion was the most loyal Primarch.


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 SickSix wrote:

The 40k Space Wolves are the worst Marine faction by far, they are laughably awful. Wolf Claus riding his wolf sleigh pulled by wolves wearing, wolf fur and wielding wolf weapons.


This.

It's not even visual design, Space Wolves come off like babies first DnD character and barely even fit into 40k.

The whole, 'noble savage' who defends the little guy (unlike the Chad Marines Malevolent who just dab on about any civilian population they can get their hands on) and can get away with just about anything when it comes to defying authority is so bland and boring.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Come up with a cogent argument that doesn't just attack your opponent but rather attacks the points he is making, and show some understanding of what those against the table are saying (it's not about 'Lol complaining about a random table in a game about dice'), or leave the damned thread.

 
   
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 SickSix wrote:

The 40k Space Wolves are the worst Marine faction by far, they are laughably awful. Wolf Claus riding his wolf sleigh pulled by wolves wearing, wolf fur and wielding wolf weapons.

Is it really any worse than the vampires called Blood Angels, with their spiritual liege, Bloodman, suffering from blood frenzy and carrying blood weapons...?


There are plenty of silly naming conventions in 40k. It seems odd that people get hung up on it for the Space Wolves specifically.

   
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 insaniak wrote:
 SickSix wrote:

The 40k Space Wolves are the worst Marine faction by far, they are laughably awful. Wolf Claus riding his wolf sleigh pulled by wolves wearing, wolf fur and wielding wolf weapons.

Is it really any worse than the vampires called Blood Angels, with their spiritual liege, Bloodman, suffering from blood frenzy and carrying blood weapons...?


There are plenty of silly naming conventions in 40k. It seems odd that people get hung up on it for the Space Wolves specifically.


Yep. Blood Angels suffer the same stupid naming conventions. The difference honestly is the models. BA models still look like marines. Sanguinary guard get plenty of flak for sure. But DC and BA marines still look like proper marines. SW look ridiculous. BA don't have a unit of half-bat marines.

So yes, BA suffer bood McBlood dude with his blood-fist. But they arent cartoon characters on the table.

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I'd discontinue whole Catachan range and replace it with some other regiment. They did not aged well, imho.


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 Dysartes wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:

Here's a Dakka-specific one - people who don't use the spoiler tags, especially when quoting massive posts to add a couple of lines to the end, should get more MOD attention than they do...

Report them when you see them. Otherwise, we can only do anything about them if we happen to stumble across them...


It is annoying as heck for Mobile use to make spoilers.


Then trim the response down to just the bit you're actually replying to.

Having said that, what is so hard about manually typing the two spoiler tags on mobile?

See also: huge freaking images not being put in spoiler tags.


Trimming down to the parts you want is substantially harder on a mobile device than adding the spoiler tags.
   
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 blood reaper wrote:
 SickSix wrote:

The 40k Space Wolves are the worst Marine faction by far, they are laughably awful. Wolf Claus riding his wolf sleigh pulled by wolves wearing, wolf fur and wielding wolf weapons.


This.

It's not even visual design, Space Wolves come off like babies first DnD character and barely even fit into 40k.

The whole, 'noble savage' who defends the little guy (unlike the Chad Marines Malevolent who just dab on about any civilian population they can get their hands on) and can get away with just about anything when it comes to defying authority is so bland and boring.
indeed, and the worst part is that they want to be this, and at the same time want to be multiple other contradictory things.

They try to be the noble savage, dark brooding executioner, joking prankster, secret werewolf, stoic hero, defender of the little guy, unquestioning right hand killer of the big boss, cunning tactical genius, furry enthusiasts, crazed berzerker, barely disguised X-Men ripoff, Norse Raiders, etc all at the time time.

They don't know what they want to be, try to be everything, and come off looking like a goofy tween's tryhard fanfic.

Space Wolves have lots of potential, they *can* be a cool faction. GW just...borked it.

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Chaos Space Marines are handled lazily by GW, and feel like they're just some punchmeat evil spikey bad guys for the Space Marines to beat up.

Horus Heresy players are the main reason I don't play Horus Heresy.

Primaris Marines are better scaled than old Marines, and I like using their legs and torso to make 'regular marines'.

Sisters of Battle aren't that special, and people are going to whine about them when they come out.

I don't care if you glue chick heads on your Space Marines, do whatever you want with your property but don't demand I accept your fanfiction as fact.

Rotor Cannons should be a thing for Marines. Because reasons.

Shadow War: Armageddon was a waste of money.

Beakies look dumb.

Blanchitsu models look like they smell awful.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
The worst part of the hobby isn't the price, it's the toxicity that players can bring, especially on the internet.


The most toxic elements of the players are:

1- the neckbeards that do nothing but whine about what other people like
2- the neckbeards that try to turn every 40k discussion into some kind of activist lecture
3- the neckbeards that don't wash themselves and their clothing
4- the neckbeards that 'quit after third edition' and are still around complaining
5- the neckbeards that whine about every release because it's not something they play
6- the neckbeards that call people 'incels' but are also incels
7- the neckbeards that always bring up squats (and never had them)
8- the neckbeards that always bring up Sisters of Battle (and never had them)
9- the neckbeards that scream about how Horus Heresy is a better game
10- the neckbeards that religiously defend Spikeybits and Bell of Lost Souls


Putting your political and ideological opinions in your signature isn't a clever way to get past the ban.

If you can't put that aside and discuss games with other people, you probably have an obsession and need professional help. 
   
 
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