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That's such an old in joke for my friends...
The game looks awesome...
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Looks interesting, although I do hope they add in female knights later on (it is an alpha they said, so there's always hope).
Yes, I know that's not really historical. No, I don't give a gak.
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Gah, it's that attitude that led to me having to put up with female soldiers in M&B Napoleonic Wars... or female guards in Pirates of the Burning Sea... women of the line? Pah!
Oh and I predict much 'Lol Joan of Arc lol' before this point is done
Hmm, very Mount & Blade'ish indeed. Which is a good thing.
Apparently, one of the devs is from the M&B team, too, and Paradox is Taleworld's publisher, so perhaps they've received additional help for this.
Melissia wrote:Yes, I know that's not really historical. No, I don't give a gak.
They did exist, though they are rarely recognized due to having been exceptions - this led to school history books not mentioning them at all, which led to most people believing they did not exist.
Granted, I don't know of any cases of fighting female knights in England, but since this is a computer game where the player will change the course of history anyways, and likely create a character that did not exist in real life, this should not be an issue.
We'll see, I guess!
Henners91 wrote:Gah, it's that attitude that led to me having to put up with female soldiers in M&B Napoleonic Wars... or female guards in Pirates of the Burning Sea... women of the line? Pah!
Oh and I predict much 'Lol Joan of Arc lol' before this point is done
I don't like anachronism in such games either, but exceptional characters like noble knights or "Jeanne d'Arcs" should not really be compared to line infantry recruited from the common people. Did you have a problem with female pirates or freetraders, for example?
Also: PotBS!
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Lynata wrote:[...] but since this is a computer game where the player will change the course of history anyways, and likely create a character that did not exist in real life, this should not be an issue.
That's the argument I used on the With Fire and Sword forums against the WFaS forum admins when they were defending the decision to not have female player characters in it on release.
It seemed to work, that or it was simply the player demand that made it work.
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Henners91 wrote:Gah, it's that attitude that led to me having to put up with female soldiers in M&B Napoleonic Wars... or female guards in Pirates of the Burning Sea... women of the line? Pah!
Oh and I predict much 'Lol Joan of Arc lol' before this point is done
Don't care much for Jeanne d'Arc, but it's really just a needless restriction on a roleplaying game.
History sucks, we're not gonna be following it anyway.
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Melissia wrote:Looks interesting, although I do hope they add in female knights later on (it is an alpha they said, so there's always hope).
War of the Roses: Knights of Needlepoint!
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Gotta love stereotypes of female characters in games...
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Joey wrote:Yeah why not have aliens and giant green phalluses too.
We already have giant silver ones.
Your post is silly and nonsensical.
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I like this idea a lot. Cant rember if this true or not but they are supposed to have much bigger battles. (I think) That would be epic. Much better than mount and blade anyways...
Saw that video a while back, the game looks awesome. But I sadly will not be playing it until they add hermaphrodites.
"We already have giant silver ones."
I don't think swords are really phallic it's just a really effective tool for poking and cutting fools. Sometimes a claymore is just a claymore you know.
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Joey wrote:Women in the war of the roses would just be awesome.
Fixed that for you.
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asimo77 wrote:Saw that video a while back, the game looks awesome. But I sadly will not be playing it until they add hermaphrodites.
"We already have giant silver ones."
I don't think swords are really phallic it's just a really effective tool for poking and cutting fools. Sometimes a claymore is just a claymore you know.
You can't claim something is phallic just because it's longer than it is wide. Otherwise anything vaguely rectangular (probably most things) would be considered phallic.
Things are usually described as phallic in terms of how they're treated by men, not how they look.
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Joey wrote:Women in the war of the roses would just be awesome.
Fixed that for you.
Do you hate women that much? Or just reality?
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Joey, can you try not to be a jerk? Women often like playing women in games. The enjoyment of the players takes greater precedence over recreating the un-fun parts of a historical setting.
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asimo77 wrote:Saw that video a while back, the game looks awesome. But I sadly will not be playing it until they add hermaphrodites.
"We already have giant silver ones."
I don't think swords are really phallic it's just a really effective tool for poking and cutting fools. Sometimes a claymore is just a claymore you know.
You can't claim something is phallic just because it's longer than it is wide. Otherwise anything vaguely rectangular (probably most things) would be considered phallic.
Things are usually described as phallic in terms of how they're treated by men, not how they look.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not but if we look at how it's used: poking and cutting, instead of its appearance I don't think my point changes much. Unless you just want to say all weapons are dicks to men. Which is rather silly.
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Joey wrote:Women in the war of the roses would just be awesome.
Fixed that for you.
Do you hate women that much? Or just reality?
There were (some) female knights, fighters, mercenaries, and army commanders in medieval times. Deal with it.
Actually, the Bridport Muster Roll of 1457 has a list of people called to join the Lancastrian army:
These are the names of ordinary people who were called up to the army. 174 names on the list are legible, and 5 of these (2.9%) are women. Alis Hammel has her own jack, sword, buckler, salet, bow and arrows. Alis Gare has a bow and a coat of plates. "Condefer Wife" has bow, arrows, sword and buckler. Margaret Athyn and Sally Pens do not have any equipment listed, but overall 39% of the names on the list do not have any equipment listed. -- found on this forum
And then we have Margaret of Anjou personally having led her army in combat. Granted, I doubt that she has actually fought (few commanders did), but there you have it: female soldiers and army commanders in the War of Roses. The historical precedent is given.
Unless one would want to pretend that these minorities never existed at all because they'd apparently attack the idea of male supremacy or something silly like that. A lot of people and organizations still seem to be interested in doing so!
While Lynata's post is informative (and amusing, given the contents of Joey's post before he edited it), I don't honestly care much about the historical precedence... the game gives you a setting and lets you play around with it, changing history as you wish. You can change the outcome of battles, of entire wars... which means you can defy history and tell destiny to shove itself up its own arse.
Which is awesome. When you can tell history to go feth itself because you have a better idea, the game has transcended mere simulation and become some thing epic. That's what's important, and what's fun about it. If it was nothing more than a pure history sim it'd be an interactive documentary, not a game-- and yes, those do exist. I have one on CD here, in fact. It's rather dreadful, making everything pointless because sure you can participate, but your actions are meaningless even within the context of the game.
Meh. That's not the kind of game I'd want to play. It's not even heroic, it's more "why am I here again? the same outcome will be had if I stopped playing"
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Melissa, you ever read *son of york* or those medieval books, even more look at stuff like LOTR and also the current GOT series. Men were expendable, replacable easily. There were historically few women who fought, and in fantasy it typically leans towards women less.
In modern shooters/rts I would actually say YES ladies should be in it. But there should be a point were you have to cross the line, especially in terms of medieval accuracy. Yes there were ladies in combat, but typically archers AND there were only a minority of them.
OT, I think its fantastic someone's coming up with a War of the Roses game, the War of the roses was largely ignored by most of history. Its seen as largely a myth, even in England.
Melissia wrote:Looks interesting, although I do hope they add in female knights later on (it is an alpha they said, so there's always hope).
Yes, I know that's not really historical. No, I don't give a gak.
Why do you want female X in absolutely everything?
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Melissia wrote:Looks interesting, although I do hope they add in female knights later on (it is an alpha they said, so there's always hope).
Yes, I know that's not really historical. No, I don't give a gak.
Why do you want female X in absolutely everything?
Why do you want "only male x" in absolutely everything?
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Doctadeth wrote:Melissa, you ever read *son of york* or those medieval books, even more look at stuff like LOTR and also the current GOT series. Men were expendable, replacable easily. There were historically few women who fought, and in fantasy it typically leans towards women less. Also, Caesar 3, Zeus.
In modern shooters/rts I would actually say YES ladies should be in it. But there should be a point were you have to cross the line, especially in terms of medieval accuracy. Yes there were ladies in combat, but typically archers AND there were only a minority of them.
OT, I think its fantastic someone's coming up with a War of the Roses game, the War of the roses was largely ignored by most of history. Its seen as largely a myth, even in England.
Doctadeth wrote:But there should be a point were you have to cross the line, especially in terms of medieval accuracy.
Seeing as I don't care about medieval accuracy to begin with considering I fully plan on royally fething up history in any "historical" game I play... you might notice I don't care.
Actually I could just change that to "seeing as I don't care, you might notice I don't care", but eh.
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