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2012/05/19 08:00:07
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Was just mulling over an old army list and I think I've been playing this wrong, so I wanted everyone's input on it:
I play Dark Angels, and as such we don't use Land Raiders as dedicated transport options liks vanilla marines. They are heavy support. Can I still deploy my terminators inside of a Land Raider?
Probably over thinking this at too late of an hour...
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2012/05/19 08:09:21
Subject: Re:deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Yes
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2012/05/19 08:41:28
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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2012/05/19 10:01:15
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Yes (Rulebook FAQ, p7).
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2012/05/19 16:38:41
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Tilter at Windmills
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Page 94 of the main rulebook as well, no?
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2012/05/19 21:37:41
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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As I said, late night brain fart... thanks!
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2012/05/20 00:29:22
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mannahnin wrote:Page 94 of the main rulebook as well, no?
Nope. There is actually nothing in the main rulebook that allows you to deploy in a non-dedicated transport. The FAQ is actually required here (weird, huh?)
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2012/05/20 02:23:30
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Nungunz wrote:Mannahnin wrote:Page 94 of the main rulebook as well, no?
Nope. There is actually nothing in the main rulebook that allows you to deploy in a non-dedicated transport. The FAQ is actually required here (weird, huh?)
It's in their. I'll get home and open the BRB. I had someone challenge this a few months ago.
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2012/05/20 10:54:30
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Lobukia wrote:Nungunz wrote:Mannahnin wrote:Page 94 of the main rulebook as well, no?
Nope. There is actually nothing in the main rulebook that allows you to deploy in a non-dedicated transport. The FAQ is actually required here (weird, huh?)
It's in their. I'll get home and open the BRB. I had someone challenge this a few months ago.
It's not in their (sic). It was a highly contentious issue before the FAQ; the closest one could get to a ruling was that you can deploy anywhere in your deployment zone, and the dedicated transport is in your deployment zone. Other rules (Rulebook p67, 'Dedicated Transports'; p94, 'Preparing Reserves') implied that you should be able to, but never actually state it.
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2012/05/20 14:06:01
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Violent Enforcer
Panama City, FL
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BRB pg. 94
"Similarly, the player must specify if any transport vehicle in reserve is carrying any of the infantry units and/or independent characters in reserve. If they do, the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and will arrive together."
It does not specify that it has to be a dedicated transport.
It's pretty clear.
It says that the player must specify which transports are carrying which units.
I could be missing something, but it doesn't seem like there is much to argue about.
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2012/05/20 14:23:52
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Sinewy Scourge
Long Island, New York, USA
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Nungunz wrote:Mannahnin wrote:Page 94 of the main rulebook as well, no?
Nope. There is actually nothing in the main rulebook that allows you to deploy in a non-dedicated transport. The FAQ is actually required here (weird, huh?)
Page 92 under a note on secrecy says you should make it clear to your opponent which squads are embarked in which transports.
It is only dedicated transports that can only be deployed either empty or with the unit they were purchased for.
And even for dedicated transports, after they are deployed, any friendly unit can be transported in them.
The only restrictions for deploying units inside transports at the beginning of the game are:
It must be an infantry unit,
There must be sufficient room in the transport for the entire unit,
If it's a dedicated transport, only the unit it was purchased for may deploy in it.
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2012/05/20 20:17:16
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Nocturn, the issue was that the rule you quoted mentions just refers to detailing which units are in which transport. It doesn't give you permission to deploy any given unit in any transport... just tells you that if a unit is in a transport you have to tell your opponent about it. That's not a blanket permission to deploy any unit you want in any transport vehicle.
It was a rather large gap in the rules, that most players just ignored on the assumption that between that quote and the dedicated transport entry it was fairly clear that you were supposed to be able to deploy into non-dedicated transports. Similar sort of blind spot to the rules not originally allowing ICs to join units before deployment, which has similarly now been plugged.
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2012/05/20 21:32:31
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Missionary On A Mission
Richmond Va
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If I am not mistaken, lets look at the outflanking/scouting rules for DT's. I belive it says the only way a transport gets a scout or outflank is if the unit inside has the scouting or outflank special rule and is also dedicated to the transport. I know the wording is awful in this post but what I take it to mean is that any unit can be deployed inside of a transport but unless it is dedicated it dosent pass on its rules. That being said, you must be able to deploy non dedicated units in a transport.
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2012/05/20 22:14:34
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Ya know, it really doesn't matter. There is an FAQ that has clarified it, so all the little obscure maybe it means and so on really are irrelevant. Yes, you can deploy in a non-dedicated transport and thanks to the FAQ there is no debate necessary.
Good enough?
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2012/05/20 22:19:11
Subject: deploying into a non-dedlicated transport?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Nocturn wrote:BRB pg. 94
"Similarly, the player must specify if any transport vehicle in reserve is carrying any of the infantry units and/or independent characters in reserve. If they do, the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and will arrive together."
It does not specify that it has to be a dedicated transport.
It's pretty clear.
It says that the player must specify which transports are carrying which units.
I could be missing something, but it doesn't seem like there is much to argue about.
That's talking about Reserves; we're talking about regular deployment. There was always permission to embark a unit inside a non-dedicated transport when it comes in from reserves, but never explicit permission to deploy a unit inside the transport on the table at the start of the game. It is implied in the rulebook several times, but never actually stated. However: don_mondo wrote:Ya know, it really doesn't matter. There is an FAQ that has clarified it, so all the little obscure maybe it means and so on really are irrelevant. Yes, you can deploy in a non-dedicated transport and thanks to the FAQ there is no debate necessary.
Good enough?
This.
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