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I am a bit confused on the order of happenings, according to what i have read...

Sanguinus (R.I.P) goes to see horus and ends up dying, but hurting horus

The Emperor then kills horus

And then Rogal Dorn carries the emperor out of the barge

is this what happens or have i just forgotton

also what happens to abbadon, fulgrim, ahriman and all the other chaos guys who helped kill Sanguinus. did they escape b4 the emperor came up to horus?

YELLOWBLADES wrote:I am a bit confused on the order of happenings, according to what i have read...

Sanguinus (R.I.P) goes to see horus and ends up dying, but hurting horus
Sanguinius teleported up to the barge and ended up in Horus' throne room. He dents Horus' armor but is killed by the combined power of four chaos gods.

The Emperor then kills horus
Using the chink made by Sanguinius

And then Rogal Dorn carries the emperor out of the barge
Far as I know this is correct
is this what happens or have i just forgotton

also what happens to abbadon, fulgrim, ahriman and all the other chaos guys who helped kill Sanguinus. did they escape b4 the emperor came up to horus?
They all just kind of bugger off

TheAngrySquig wrote:

YELLOWBLADES wrote:I am a bit confused on the order of happenings, according to what i have read...

Sanguinus (R.I.P) goes to see horus and ends up dying, but hurting horus
Sanguinius teleported up to the barge and ended up in Horus' throne room. He dents Horus' armor but is killed by the combined power of four chaos gods.

The Emperor then kills horus
Using the chink made by Sanguinius

And then Rogal Dorn carries the emperor out of the barge
Far as I know this is correct
is this what happens or have i just forgotton

also what happens to abbadon, fulgrim, ahriman and all the other chaos guys who helped kill Sanguinus. did they escape b4 the emperor came up to horus?
They all just kind of bugger off

thanks

Not a problem

YELLOWBLADES wrote:I am a bit confused on the order of happenings, according to what i have read...

Sanguinus (R.I.P) goes to see horus and ends up dying, but hurting horus

The Emperor then kills horus

And then Rogal Dorn carries the emperor out of the barge

is this what happens or have i just forgotton

also what happens to abbadon, fulgrim, ahriman and all the other chaos guys who helped kill Sanguinus. did they escape b4 the emperor came up to horus?

that last part never happened, it was just horus that killed him off, the other primarchs were doing there own thing at the time

No I thought that dorn did drag him out once he got wounded

TheAngrySquig wrote:No I thought that dorn did drag him out once he got wounded

Dorn was among the group that teleported up to the Battle Barge with the Emp and Sangui. However, he was scattered onto the farthest part of the ship in an attempt to make his presence irrelevant. Dorn fights his way through the Barge only to arrive at the bridge after the Emp has killed Horus and is about to die from his own wounds (Stabbed straight through, severed arm). Dorn goes to him and the Emp tells him of the Golden Throne and that is where he must go. Dorn takes him there, and Malcador who is holding the throne in the mean times gives up his life to give the Emp enough consciousness to instruct what to change about the Throne to keep him alive. After the tech priests service the Throne he is then placed there in the form you know now.

Using the chink made by Sanguinius

That is a popular belief by fanatics of Sanguinius (not an attack on people, I meant the In game fanatics) and not actually confirmed. Last I heard that is just a popular myth and didnt actually happen because, lets face it, the Emperor didnt need the help. (That and in the White Dwarf version of the battle it doesnt mention that at all)

I entered this thread purely because its title had the word "climax" in it.

Galdos wrote:

Using the chink made by Sanguinius

That is a popular belief by fanatics of Sanguinius (not an attack on people, I meant the In game fanatics) and not actually confirmed. Last I heard that is just a popular myth and didnt actually happen because, lets face it, the Emperor didnt need the help. (That and in the White Dwarf version of the battle it doesnt mention that at all)

I should be considered in the fanatic section


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BlaxicanX wrote:I entered this thread purely because its title had the word "climax" in it.

And you deserve a medal

Hi Yellowblades!

Here's a link to the original telling of the story

http://members.tripod.com/orcrist_game/40k/id3.html

From 2nd Ed on the battle between Sanguinius we have

His blade lodged at once in the Warmaster's armour.
Horus screamed more with anger than with pain, and reached out to strike the winged Primarch. Steel talons
dripping with plasmic energy closed upon the winged Angel of Baal.

According to some versions of the tale it was this wound that Sanguinius struck which opened a chink
through the armour of Horus, enabling the Emperor to slay his enemy.

and

It is said it was through the chink in Horus' armour opened by Sanguinius that the Emperor was able to
deliver the fatal blow. Thus the brightest of all the Emperor's host did not die in vain, crushed upon the
steps of Horus' foul altar, but dying gave the Emperor the one chance to destroy forever the Great Betrayer.

There is a sentence in The Outcast Dead as well, if I recall, that seems to be hinting back towards this as well. I'll have a look later.

Edit: Quotes

Wasnt there a version where it wasnt a physical fatal blow but simply the Emperor summoning all of his psychic might and annhilating Horus' very essence?

that what every version is.

Also, if Dorn teleported with the Big E and Sanguinius at the same time, where the feth was he?

JohnnoM wrote:that what every version is.

Yup, the version in Collected Visions is a bit different but just a bit more fleshed out.

JohnnoM wrote:Also, if Dorn teleported with the Big E and Sanguinius at the same time, where the feth was he?

I think the suggestion is that Horus separated them during the teleportation. He knew he couldn't turn Dorn, but thought that Sanguinius could still be bought to his side. He couldn't have faced all 3 of them at once, divide and conquer I guess.

hhmm, thats possible but still you'd think the emperor would be all like
" Bitch please, GTFO!"

Interesting, I always thought the 2nd ed /CV stuff was the canon version no?
Am I right in thinking so there is no official canon version (as of yet)?

JohnnoM wrote:hhmm, thats possible but still you'd think the emperor would be all like
" Bitch please, GTFO!"

The Emperor ponders

Could Horus have disrupted the teleportation beam? Is he so powerful?

The answer is yes apparently.

Ratius wrote:Interesting, I always thought the 2nd ed /CV stuff was the canon version no?
Am I right in thinking so there is no official canon version (as of yet)?

Currently I would assume so, that the 2nd Ed/ Visions version is canon, as the Heresy series hasn't got this far yet. We've seen glimpses of the future in Know no Fear and The Outcast Dead, but nothing concrete. Even these might be way out.

JohnnoM wrote:that what every version is.

Also, if Dorn teleported with the Big E and Sanguinius at the same time, where the feth was he?

I kinda explained it before. They all got teleported to different parts of Horus's Battlebarge, and Dorn was the farthest away. By the time he had fought his way there, the fight was already over.

Ratius wrote:Interesting, I always thought the 2nd ed /CV stuff was the canon version no?
Am I right in thinking so there is no official canon version (as of yet)?

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that a "canon" - at least in the form as interpreted by what seems to be the majority of 40k fans - simply does not exist. However something is described depends solely on the respective source one is looking at, explaining the myriad of inconsistencies and flat-out contradictions that arise between the various publications, especially between the various origins of a publication (read: authors and companies).

"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."
- from Gav Thorpe, ex-GW who now writes on the Horus Heresy [src]

"Sure, editorial prefers it when stuff ties in together, but it’s not a mandate. Everyone views the setting differently, after all."
- from ADB, who also writes on the Horus Heresy [src]

"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."
- from Andy Hoare, ex-GW who doesn't (yet?) write on the Horus Heresy, but has been writing for Black Library and FFG [src]

Lynata wrote:Personally, I've come to the conclusion that a "canon" - at least in the form as interpreted by what seems to be the majority of 40k fans - simply does not exist. However something is described depends solely on the respective source one is looking at, explaining the myriad of inconsistencies and flat-out contradictions that arise between the various publications, especially between the various origins of a publication (read: authors and companies).

"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."
- from Gav Thorpe, ex-GW who now writes on the Horus Heresy [src]

"Sure, editorial prefers it when stuff ties in together, but it’s not a mandate. Everyone views the setting differently, after all."
- from ADB, who also writes on the Horus Heresy [src]

"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."
- from Andy Hoare, ex-GW who doesn't (yet?) write on the Horus Heresy, but has been writing for Black Library and FFG [src]

I might have to keep that post for later.

Lynata wrote:

Ratius wrote:Interesting, I always thought the 2nd ed /CV stuff was the canon version no?
Am I right in thinking so there is no official canon version (as of yet)?

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that a "canon" - at least in the form as interpreted by what seems to be the majority of 40k fans - simply does not exist. However something is described depends solely on the respective source one is looking at, explaining the myriad of inconsistencies and flat-out contradictions that arise between the various publications, especially between the various origins of a publication (read: authors and companies).

"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."
- from Gav Thorpe, ex-GW who now writes on the Horus Heresy [src]

"Sure, editorial prefers it when stuff ties in together, but it’s not a mandate. Everyone views the setting differently, after all."
- from ADB, who also writes on the Horus Heresy [src]

"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."
- from Andy Hoare, ex-GW who doesn't (yet?) write on the Horus Heresy, but has been writing for Black Library and FFG [src]

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Yes, yes, we know Lynata

But this version of events has, as far as I know, not been given lots and lots of different tellings with the 2nd edition (RoC/SM) and Collected Visions stories being the only ones and they are pretty much identical. I would say that that is as close to canon as you can possibly get for 40k. Like I mentioned though, with the HH series this might change. I hope not.