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Hey guys, when it comes to anti-tank all i ever seem to do is resort to Hive Guard, or podding Zoanthropes.

Recently Read an article suggesting giving units multiple roles, so does anyone have any suggestions as to what unit and upgrades would be good against transports, decently armoured tanks and dreadnoughts (i always end up in combat with a dreadnought where i cannot do any harm )

Also to clarify, I hear things like a unit of gargoyles with AG or whatnot, how does that work? ive only ever taken the rending devils into those situations.

Thanks guys

Hive Guard for AV 10-12, Zoanthrope for 13-14. So if you know your opponent won't be taking any AV13+ vehicles, stick with the cheaper Hive Guard. Against walkers Carnifex and Trygons, even Hive tyrants in a pinch are the way to go. They'll chew them up while usually being able to survive anything they dish out at them (unless its a BA dread with Blood Talons).

haha BA death company dred iswhat ill be up against in my next battle XD. bad times.

Bradford1111 wrote:haha BA death company dred iswhat ill be up against in my next battle XD. bad times.

Damn, in which case you'll probably want to bring use hive guard against to pop them. Remember that they have None Can Stay My Wrath which ignores shaken and stunned results, on the plus side if you can get a weapon destroyed result you're all set because they Blood Talon special rules only works with two...

A trygon with adrenal glands takes care of that dread.
Same with a winged hive tyrant with 2x scything talons.

if you're playing an objective game, you can take small units of termagants spawned by tervigons and bubblewrap the dread.
if the dread moves across the board two turns, and spends two or three turns fighting two 6-8 man termagant squads off to the side of the main action, you've effectively "killed" the dread by making it late in turn five before it could do any real damage. 70 points of free gants is a hilariously awesome way to tie up his expensive slashy dread.

that is actually an awesome idea mate! dont even bother killing it just leave it tied up. I shall try this on tuesday.

Here are some tips to help push it even further:
Tervigon spawns before moving, but you place the gants within 6", then they can move 6", shoot and assault. You can assault a tank, surround it, and then when some other zoanthrope/hiveguard/mc blows the tank up, its contents cannot disembark. So 10 termagants and a trygon assault a landraider with terminators and a HQ character. The trygon takes out the tank, and the gants surrounding the front and sides of the landraider kill the 450ish points inside. You can also run the termagants if you're in short range and blow up the tank with shooting.

My buddy has always done decent with genestealers against my marines, specially with a broodlord in it. It only gets tough against armor 13 or higher.

I usually go for Termies with adrenal glands. Hit them enough, and something will get through, right? ...Right?

Archim3des, you cruel, cruel, genius. that is brutal. Always getting stuck with, i think, honor guard in tank.
However, wont most of the termies die from the explosion?

Does termigants with AG work?! transports i guess, but i struggle more with AV11 and dreads.

Having tried it in a few games, zoanthropes on foot, supported by onslaught tervigons, and mawlocs are quite awesome. Pushing vehicles out of terrain with the mawlocs to shoot them with the zoeys that you can run out & onslaught. I'd say termagants are better than gargoyles in the glancing vehicles to death role for the sole reason that they're cheaper, especially within synapse, and the gargs are better off screening in my experience.

Otherwise, everything said here is fairly standard ways of dealing with av10-12. I don't like podding zoeys, they're too suicidal and don't give you the synapse benefit so much.

but they are faster and have blinding venom... for an addition singular point. gotta be better.

They are most certainly better until you factor in the tervigon providing its bubble of FC and poison to the gants. To relate this to your original post, the gargs are also 2 points more when you buy adrenal glands. They also don't score. They fill a different niche in the army than termagants imo, albeit a very similar one.

*clarification*

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:Hive Guard for AV 10-12, Zoanthrope for 13-14. So if you know your opponent won't be taking any AV13+ vehicles, stick with the cheaper Hive Guard. Against walkers Carnifex and Trygons, even Hive tyrants in a pinch are the way to go. They'll chew them up while usually being able to survive anything they dish out at them (unless its a BA dread with Blood Talons).

Never, ever take carnifexes for any reason. They are chaos spawn level bad for their points. Tfexes and Trygons are ALWAYS better. Carnifexes do not have fleet so they cannot vehicles in melee, their only gun option that does not suck can only pop light transports. They just flat out suck for their points.

Agreed! Carnifex is most over priced unit in the codex. just cause everyone has them and used to spam them. good times...