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Hi Dakka, I'm really confused about using Ork Deffkoptas now. That way I normally play them is with a Buzzsaw and TL Rokkit Launchas which tally up to be a total of 70pts ( 35+10+25) rolling one dice for shooting the Rokkit and re-rolling because of TL provided I missed. I was recently watching a battlerep and this guy rolled 2 dice for his TL Rokkits landing double 6's to hit for both dice (http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/blood-angels-vs-orks-planetstrike-banter-batrep-part-36) At 1.:30.

Am I missing out on something here with the Deffkopters? Should I be rolling 2 dice or just the 1 as I was normally doing?

Some folk roll both dice on a twin-linked weapon at the same time, as if either hits, it hits.

Others roll, then reroll.

*shrug* Do what feels right to you.

For me it's more natural to pick up the misses and reroll them.

Yes i understand that people roll 2 dice for the one shot. However, this guy rolled a 6 and a 1 initially, to which he then re-rolled the 1 which scored him another 6. Meaning he has 2 STR 8 Shots from the deffcopter firing into the Tank. My question is; Is the correct? To my understanding a single Deffcopter has 1 TL STR8 Rokkit shot. Not 2. Am I missing something with the rules on Deffkoptas?

It's better practice to roll and then reroll if it misses. Rolling the first roll and the reroll simultaneously isn't what you're supposed to do but as long as you're only rolling for a single shot it doesn't make a difference. If you have multiple twinlinked shots do not simply roll twice as many dice as you have shots and pick up all successes.

Edit: Oh, that. Yeah, it should just be a single shot.

Raxmei wrote:It's better practice to roll and then reroll if it misses. Rolling the first roll and the reroll simultaneously isn't what you're supposed to do but as long as you're only rolling for a single shot it doesn't make a difference. If you have multiple twinlinked shots do not simply roll twice as many dice as you have shots and pick up all successes.

Edit: Oh, that. Yeah, it should just be a single shot.

That is what I thought. When i first saw it I thought i was skipping out on something really cool, I referred back to my Codex to see if I could find anything that made the Kopters shoot 2 shots that were TL'ed but I couldn't find anything; thus I reached out to you guys. Thanks, Raxmei.

It can also be relevant if the weapon has an effect that triggers on a specific number rolled, for example Gets Hot, as a reroll ignores the first number rolled.

Vid wrote: Hi Dakka, I'm really confused about using Ork Deffkoptas now. That way I normally play them is with a Buzzsaw and TL Rokkit Launchas which tally up to be a total of 70pts ( 35+10+25) rolling one dice for shooting the Rokkit and re-rolling because of TL provided I missed. I was recently watching a battlerep and this guy rolled 2 dice for his TL Rokkits landing double 6's to hit for both dice (http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/blood-angels-vs-orks-planetstrike-banter-batrep-part-36) At 1.:30.

Am I missing out on something here with the Deffkopters? Should I be rolling 2 dice or just the 1 as I was normally doing?

I just watched it. your right he totaly cheated.

Don't pay too much attention to this....He has 4 deffcoptas in squadrons of 1!!! (4 reserve rolls)

Unless there is a rule that I overlooked, you can't have 4 fast attack.

I would love to play this guy just to point out all his....Mistakes!

f74 wrote:Don't pay too much attention to this....He has 4 deffcoptas in squadrons of 1!!! (4 reserve rolls)

Unless there is a rule that I overlooked, you can't have 4 fast attack.

I would love to play this guy just to point out all his....Mistakes!

The Attacker in Planetstrike can have up to six Fast Attack choices.
I am not saying that the MWG-guys are in any way, shape or form good at following the rules, but it would seem obvious to look at the Planetstrike rules before attempting to point out a fault.

grr wrote:I just watched it. your right he totaly cheated.

There is a very large divide between 'made a mistake' and 'cheated'... Let's not break out the pitchforks without having been involved in the actual game at hand, hmm?

insaniak wrote:

grr wrote:I just watched it. your right he totaly cheated.

There is a very large divide between 'made a mistake' and 'cheated'... Let's not break out the pitchforks without having been involved in the actual game at hand, hmm?

You're absolutely right good sir, I shall douse the burning torch

Well he actually screwed himself, as the Deff rolla allows him to also re roll dangerous terrain which he failed to do. So he might have been able to ram the Raider still.

I am curious as to why he thought koptas got 2 Rokkit attacks.

Steelmage99 wrote:

f74 wrote:Don't pay too much attention to this....He has 4 deffcoptas in squadrons of 1!!! (4 reserve rolls)

Unless there is a rule that I overlooked, you can't have 4 fast attack.

I would love to play this guy just to point out all his....Mistakes!

The Attacker in Planetstrike can have up to six Fast Attack choices.
I am not saying that the MWG-guys are in any way, shape or form good at following the rules, but it would seem obvious to look at the Planetstrike rules before attempting to point out a fault.

Yep totally my fault, Having not played planetstrike myself my lack of rules knowledge was the problem here! Didn't think the FOC would change!

balsak_da_mighty wrote:I am curious as to why he thought koptas got 2 Rokkit attacks.

A lot of people mistakenly go with twin-linked weapons firing as two weapons with a re-roll.

Miniwargaming get many rules wrong as we all do. But if you look at the other videos they usually have one that they post after the fact to talk about the rules they got wrong.