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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/29 04:45:06
Subject: Haqqislam List Critique: how would you play this? And Fiday tactical questions
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Before my questions, here's my list:
HAQQISLAM
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 10/Irrs: 0):
NAFFATÛN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife (12)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
ODALISQUE Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife (24)
MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Sixth Sense L2 | 360º Visor, I-khol L3, V: No Wound Incapacitation
FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW (34)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L3, Basic Impersonation, Religious Troop
HAWWA' Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (29 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration
3x GHULAM Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (17)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Doctor
GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Lieutenant
JANISSARY Doctor AP Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW (49)
MOV:4-2 CC:15 BS:13 PH:14 WIP:14 ARM:4 BTS:-3 W:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Religious Troop, Doctor
TUAREG Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (35 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration
247 Points | SWC: 1
My questions are
1) I know there are almost no bad lists in Infinity, but just in case I might as well have it checked? How is my list? Do I have all my bases covered?
2) I would use the contents of the Haqq starter for my first few games and move on to this list once I have a few games in my belt. What would I need to add if I expand my army to 300 points, though?
3) How do you guys use your Fiday w/ Boarding Shotguns? Do you infiltrate them on the enemy deployment zone or just near it? When you try killing an enemy, would you rather kill them via shooting or in CC?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/29 11:31:34
Subject: Re:Haqqislam List Critique: how would you play this? And Fiday tactical questions
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Alguacile Paramedic
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There is no need for 3 ghulam doctors. Taking only one not only would save points (that would be better spent on lets sey nasmats for one of the docs) but also make it harder to figure out who your Lt is (very important).
Also you need more guns. (non-multi) sniper rifles are pretty weak special weapons. you need some spitfires or hmgs in that list. Preferably on jannisary or odalisque. You have spent only 1 out of 5 avaible swc, that means your list lacks a punch.
Fiday is very tricky. It depends a lot on who goes first, how your enemy have deployed, does he have any juicy targets worth a suicide run, or did he spread his troops that you can pick them one by one. One trick to use with fiday is if you go first place it right next to something really worth killing (like enemy lt). If he passes his wip the target is as good as dead (the fiday too usually, but if you killed Lt or something of similar importance it is a good exchange). If you go scond it's better to deploy him closer to your zone and harass advancing enemy.
But it's a tricky troop lot's to experiment there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/29 11:32:51
Subject: Haqqislam List Critique: how would you play this? And Fiday tactical questions
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Ghulam Doctor
Manila, Philippines
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1.) I wouldn't go so far as there are no bad lists, but skill is more important. The setup looks okay. My personal critiques there would be that you can certainly use up more SWC for fancier kit like HMGs or Spitfires. If this is more a "models on hand" thing and you want to play WYSIWYG, I understand, but if you are willing to use proxies and the community is fine with it (I certainly would have no problems, see you on the field soon?  ), then you can bump up your gear a bit.
I'd reduce the Ghulam docs by one, to add a Spitfire on the Odalisque, giving you a good light machinegun type weapon. If you're willing to trade in the Doctor skill on the Janissary, you could also field him with an HMG. Also, try fielding Nasmat helper remotes for any Doctors you can field. For a mere 3 points, they can function as fast remote extensions of your Doctor, allowing you to cover more ground.
2. Expanding to higher pointages is less a matter of adding more figs to a force so much as "upgrading" to better units, given the 10 figure restrictions on combat groups (though a Haqq light infantry force can also try a 2 group swarm approach). An easy place to start would be replacing the glut of Ghulams with higher grade units as you go up to 300.
3. Personally, I tend towards shooting (especially enemy LI/ MI) as it's more reliable and you've got less chances of fouling up...but if an enemy model has a delicious piece of wargear, I'd consider jumping it if it's not too risky. Remember that a figure with the Impersonator skill can steal gear from an enemy killed in melee as if it had the booty skill.
With enemy HI, I suspect that melee with an EXP weapon might be a better deal, but I don't trust my maths sense at the moment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/29 12:29:36
Subject: Haqqislam List Critique: how would you play this? And Fiday tactical questions
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Camouflaged Daylami
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Aha I already know who your Lt. is....hahaha. Having the 3 ghlam docs will only help me rule out who your Lt. is.
I understand that you are working with the figs you have ordered...and are probably working to get it to the 250 mark. But like Phelanwolf said no problem here with proxying...so you can upgrade some figs to carry bigger guns...you can even arm one ghulam with a panzerfaust or and HMG if you want. If you prefer WYSIWYG...then we would be happy to match up your points even if it is not in the increments of 50's.
Your group has 10 figs (1 group) with 10 orders plus Lt. order. You have a couple of LI which add up to your orders and can serve to cover areas with light arms fire. You have 2 snipers which can pick of enemy figs at range and they can take advantage of their Camo / infiltration to set up kill boxes. The Janissary is very formidable (I use it aggressively) and I have used mine to my delight and Phelanwolf's headache. hehe
While ...Phelanwolf has used his Fiday to my headache...hehe... as I have to burn orders just to get it out of the way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/29 12:56:04
Subject: Haqqislam List Critique: how would you play this? And Fiday tactical questions
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Ghulam Doctor
Manila, Philippines
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Pointblank wrote:Aha I already know who your Lt. is....hahaha. Having the 3 ghlam docs will only help me rule out who your Lt. is.
That's actually something I forgot to emphasize earlier. Doctor is a "public" skill/wargear, unlike Lt. You don't have to declare who your Lt. is, but all your doctors are public knowledge. Somebody who knows the ins and outs of the Haqq list can quickly narrow down your Lt to one of two figures: the Ghulam non-doctor or the Naffatn. The Janissary could also be a WIP 4 Lt, but he's got the Doctor skill already, and given that the Naffatn is an aggressive figure with an extra cost to turn into an Lt (2 SWC points), odds would be very good that it's the Ghulam. I like to have 2-3 possible Lt figures in my list so that an opponent has to at least work a bit to figure out my Lt, but that's preference, and you can certainly get away with an obvious Lt, just harder, as there's an obvious target imo.
Also would like to echo Rejnhard on the use of the Fiday. His deployment advice is spot on. When starting with initiative, go aggro ASAP, when starting second place him out of LOS but in a position where an enemy will have to either deal with him, or leave himself open. Think of the Fiday either as a living guided missile when active, or a nasty sleeper when going second. I can't claim to have mastered the bugger, as I frequently overextend, or don't maximize them. Regardless, they're a pain in the butt for your enemy, extending a nasty threat bubble that they will either avoid, or spend valuable orders trying to neutralize.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/29 15:27:45
Subject: Re:Haqqislam List Critique: how would you play this? And Fiday tactical questions
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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So pretty much reduce a Ghulam Doctor (and maybe reduce one or two to normal ghulams), add a HMG or Spitfire?
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