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Just wondering, as I have never been to tournament.
In general, how strict are the rules on proxying?

For example scratch-built creations for units w/o a proper model.
Or accurate/appropriate non-GW models that are replicas/stand-ins

As examples I found these while browsing the internet for proxying.





These are my favorites, they're made of legos

WYSIWYG is what I see.

Lego Chimeras!

Lovely...

I thought they were Hellhounds.

If you're going to proxy, at least make it look good and accurate. That's all I care about.

For units without a model typically it just needs to be competent and WYSIWYG.

For units with models most tournaments have a rule along the lines of 50% GW bits and WYSIWYG, though the percentage may vary.

They are also typically more or less lenient depending on how good the conversion is. A beautiful, hand sculpted here is going to be accepted almost anywhere. An army of re-purposed tonka trucks with just a few gubbins and a paint job? Not so much.

All the pictured models are ones I would play with. As long as it is apparent what it is (or what it is supposed to represent in the case of 'counts as' models) I say rock on. In the case of a competitive event (at least one I'm running) it must also be at least 50% Games Workshop parts.

Lego Chimeras.......why not?

Just found my new army, legoguard!

That 3rd image is from Scratch Built 40k. The guy who runs it is on dakka too, his username is Krisken, I think.

For me, if it looks good, is roughly the same size as what it's proxying as, I'll play against it.

What you can use in a tournament is usually up to the TO.

Generally for 40K and fantasy tournaments official GW models are required to keep people from modeling for advantage.

Those lego Chimeras look awesome.

Is there anything lego cant do lol

If I look through my collection I can find a White Dwarf wherein there are specific directions for me to fold cardstock into a Baneblade. That is not a proxy, that is a Baneblade made from cardstock using GWs directions. Images 1-3 are playable scratchbuilds ( with the caveat that the Russ gun needs to be whole.) I'm not a fan of lego 40k but it is a reasonable proxy, not tourney legal but still reasonable. Once upon a time people didn't blink at scratch builds let alone look down their nose at them. I guess the culture of 40k has changed since I started.

Proxying is only a problem when it is far from obvious what the models represent in my opinion. When it isn't clear it can create problems with things such as wargear which can lead to disputes and a slower and less enjoyable game.
The lego killer kan is actually quite good.

If you can pull off 40k models with legos, I'm in.

I am currently a college student so most of the people I know who play 40k in my town are also college students, we generally let people proxy till they find an army they enjoy and until they can start to collect real models. Most college students just can't afford the huge upfront costs of 40k and are unwilling to drop allot of money until they are sure they will enjoy the game.

I used to play the star wars miniatures game when I was younger and found I had a bunch of the old models left at home and that they are the same base size as 40k minis, so we usually have people who are new use these when they start out.

The second pic is the only one I have a problem with - unless there's some really wierd FoV distortion going on there then it's significantly too narrow.

The others are all recognisable and appear to be the correct dimensions.

Do be aware that legos, etc will not fly at some tournies and venues - as always, check with the organiser.

I think it's worth noting a differance between proxy and counts as. To me the dividing point is if something is apparent by looks alone. As in "the ork with a flamer is a marine with a ML"-proxy, VS "this marine scout in carapace with a shotgun is an IG vet in carapace with a shotgun"-counts as. While the lego chimera would be "proxy"ing GW product for another company, I would put it closer to counts as on the table top. Both are a no for tournaments, both are ok by me for friendly games. But would enjoy fighting counts as more then proxys.

Really? the second one at least looks like the model imo.
At least all of them looks like what they're supposed to represent. Not sure if I consider any of them as "crossing the line."

This, however, would be a big no no:

terranarc wrote:Really? the second one at least looks like the model imo.

To not be a proxy it needs to look like the model and be the correct size/shape, imo.

terranarc wrote:Really? the second one at least looks like the model imo.
At least all of them looks like what they're supposed to represent. Not sure if I consider any of them as "crossing the line."

This, however, would be a big no no:

GAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! What a waste of legos!!!!!

I do note that that is a heroscape base and I'll admit some of those models would make lovely proxies.

Best proxy EVER!!




Brings a new meaning to tank shock

No matter how good the stand in for it is, tournies won't accept it unless it's a gw model with at least 50% GW product on it.

Being a craftsman myself, I appreciate the work that can go into these scratch-built models. However, in serious play, I'd rather see official models. I purchased mine, and the labor involved is probably more than it costs to purchase one. And the official models are the peoper dimensions. Home built may or may not...

progreen10 wrote:No matter how good the stand in for it is, tournies won't accept it unless it's a gw model with at least 50% GW product on it.

That's only true at GW sponsored events. At other events it's up to the organiser.