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The Emperor's Champion - 140
•Accept any Challenge, No Matter the Odds...

Marshal, 146
•Lightning Claws
•Frag Grenades & Melta Bombs
•Artificer Armour
•Holy Orb of Antioch

Castellan, 131
•Lightning Claws
•Frag Grenades & Melta Bombs
•Artificer Armour
•Holy Orb or Antioch

Crusader Squad, 189
•Initiate with Melta Gun
•Initiate with Power Sword
•3 Initiates with Bolt Pistols
•3 Neophytes with Shot Gubs
•Frag & Krak Grenades
•Rhino with Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers & Searchlight

Crusader Squad, 189
•Initiate with Melta Gun
•Initiate with Power Sword
•3 Initiates with Bolt Pistols
•3 Neophytes with Shot Guns
•Frag & Krak Grenades
•Rhino with Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers & Searchlight

Crusader Squad, 189
•Initiate with Melta Gun
•Initiate with Power Sword
•3 Initiates with Bolt Pistols
•3 Neophytes with Shot Guns
•Frag & Krak Grenades
•Rhino with Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers & Searchlight

Crusader Squad, 195
•Initiate with Las Cannon
•Initiate with Plasma Gun
•3 Initiates with Bolt Guns
•Razorback with Twin-Linked Las Cannon, Searchlight & Smoke Launchers

Crusader Squad, 195
•Initiate with Las Cannon
•Initiate with Plasma Gun
•3 Initiates with Bolt Guns
•Razorback with Twin-Linked Las Cannon, Searchlight & Smoke Launchers

Landspeeder Typhoon, 70

Landspeeder Typhoon, 70

Vindicator, 164
•Power of the Machine Spirit
•Extra Armour, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers

Vindicator, 164
•Power of the Machine Spirit
•Extra Armour, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers

Vindicator, 164
•Power of the Machine Spirit
•Extra Armour, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers

Each Rhino gets one of the HQs, and they basically charge forward as fast as possible. The Razorbacks sit back with the home objective and the smaller Crusader squads, giving long range fire support with the Typhoons. Vindicators go up front with the Rhinos. And that's all there is to it!

Hey Creeping Deth, first i like to ask are you trying to make this list competitive or just a fun list to play?

For either competive or fun there are a few changes i would do unless ur set on using them. First your Marshall will die fast w/ no Invo save any Str8 shot or PF will kill you. Id drop ur grenades and get a SS/(PF,LC,TH) Artificer armour isnt reli needed if you buy a Adamanite Mantle seeing how double Toughness wont kill u. I also have been putting bionics on my High Marshall its pretty cheap and it can help him live a bit longer.

Drop Ur Castellan hes reli just a waste of points, just bc we can have 3 Hq we reli dont need em

Ur troops need PF if ur gonna make em CC squads and ur Farg and Krak grenades are a point sink along w/ that make Neophyates it take one or two at most, thats just me. Also ur Rhinos dont need Searchlights only get those if you have extra points left over.

I am a sstrong supporter of The Anti Lazorbacks for BT armys. Our Lazorbakcs are a point sink for 90 points ur getting one LC when for jsut about the same points you can get a squad w/ a LC. Id take a regular rhino w/ EA and Smoke

Love the Typhoons id just suggest more!! (use extra points from above for these)

Ur Vindicators are under priced, w/ the configuration you have they are reli 169 pts. but TBH you reli only need ur vindis to b
Vindicator, PotMS, EA 165
U shuold never need smoke and you dont wanna use searchlights cause then the enemy could shoot at u



Now if you are trying to run a competitve list i would suggest droping ur shooty Crusaders for some Assault Terminators or if you are trying to go more shooty i would grab a ven dread
Ven Dread Tank Hunter, TL LC, ML, EA, Smoke
BT are extremely competitive but to make a competitive list you reli have ot either go Shooty or Assault i wouldnt suggest do a hybrid list but it is possible.

I also don't see why you are running Lascannon + Plasma in something they can't shoot out of. At that point, just keep bringing more Razorbacks. I also think you should drop the Castellan as mentioned before. I would say if you are doing part Razorback Spam do it right, and have all of them be it with a Min'd squad inside. Than, bring a LRC with a full squad of Crusaders (or Termies) and have the Marshal and EC in that.

Other things that are important that were mentioned before are PFs instead of PW on the Crusaders, and more Tyhoons!!

To be honest I was going for a balance between competitive and fluffy. The reason I chose power weapons over power fists is that there are no sergeants in Crusader Squads, so that guy with the power fist is only getting 1 attack base. At least with the power weapon I can get the bonus attack.

As for the not shooting out of Razorbacks comment, I actualy did not intend for that squad to be riding in it. I was gonna have then out in cover, preferably near the Razorback, so that they could use their weapons.

I understand that the Castellan is a bit redundant, but I wanted to give each Rhino squad some punch in assault and a 3rd IC HQ made sense to me. I'll looking into replacing him and re-equipping the Marshal.

If you want a good Hq for that squad go Chaplian w/ 3 sevitors if you can find 34 more points you can take grimaldus

I will support the lasback.
40 points upgrade to get TLlascannon, why not?
Shooting out of a rhino is not really such a great idea, virtually any damage stops the squad inside firing. Then you rightly point out they can camp out in scenery for cover and have the leadership rules, to fire, whilst having the option of the lasback to crawl into for objective games and weird things like DoW.

The main point being the rhino is also really expensive.

I would drop a whole list of small upgrades and Castellon to get more typhoons. This, however, is not what I think you are looking for so I would be happy with your list.

Lazorbacks are a complete waste of points in stead of "upgrading" 2 Lazorbacks you can get a Typhoon. and if ur enemy is shooting at ur rhinos and not ur Vindicators ur golden

Nettik189 wrote:Lazorbacks are a complete waste of points in stead of "upgrading" 2 Lazorbacks you can get a Typhoon. and if ur enemy is shooting at ur rhinos and not ur Vindicators ur golden

My point is they will try to glance av11 to get the crusaders to stop shooting, in fact it is better to glance. Then av13 is looking for pens. especially with potms. Different guns required.

Typhoons are great and cheap, I can not deny that. Got lucky with a FAQ

IDK who you have played but drop a pie plate on ur enemys units and see wht they are gonna shoot at a Vindi or a Rhino. They dont care about ur regulr guys that are shooting a LV &PG but make it a TL LC that they can destroy ur recieve more fire then ull b blown up and you can lose ur PG &/or LC to a blown up vehicle w/ the possibility to b pinned whine ur oponent will settle for a shaken if its just a rhino

I REALLY like the 3 Vindicators. mmmmmm...tasty.

I don't think your Rhinos and vindicators need extra armor though. Depends on the points cost for xtra armor, but if you suffer a pen or glance, it's only 1 chance in 6 that you'll get stunned. I'd bet you could get something better for your points.

Grugknuckle wrote:I REALLY like the 3 Vindicators. mmmmmm...tasty.

I don't think your Rhinos and vindicators need extra armor though. Depends on the points cost for xtra armor, but if you suffer a pen or glance, it's only 1 chance in 6 that you'll get stunned. I'd bet you could get something better for your points.

U need the EA on the Vindi so if you get stunned you can still move ie pivot or run away.

Nettik189 wrote:IDK who you have played but drop a pie plate on ur enemys units and see wht they are gonna shoot at a Vindi or a Rhino. They dont care about ur regulr guys that are shooting a LV &PG but make it a TL LC that they can destroy ur recieve more fire then ull b blown up and you can lose ur PG &/or LC to a blown up vehicle w/ the possibility to b pinned whine ur oponent will settle for a shaken if its just a rhino

Not sure I can fully understand your abbreviations. Anyway my point is the enemy will not shoot heavy bolters etc. at a vindi as they will break av13. These sort of guns will shake a rhino and stop the crusaders from firing, this a lot easier than actually getting a lasback to stop firing due to the damage table.

MFletch wrote:

Nettik189 wrote:IDK who you have played but drop a pie plate on ur enemys units and see wht they are gonna shoot at a Vindi or a Rhino. They dont care about ur regulr guys that are shooting a LV &PG but make it a TL LC that they can destroy ur recieve more fire then ull b blown up and you can lose ur PG &/or LC to a blown up vehicle w/ the possibility to b pinned whine ur oponent will settle for a shaken if its just a rhino

Not sure I can fully understand your abbreviations. Anyway my point is the enemy will not shoot heavy bolters etc. at a vindi as they will break av13. These sort of guns will shake a rhino and stop the crusaders from firing, this a lot easier than actually getting a lasback to stop firing due to the damage table.

Um how do you figure? you cant shoot when ur shaken w/ either a rhino or lazor back. excpt the difference ur paying 40 xtra poinst and when you get a weapon destroy its a free gun not a 40pt gun
who just takes HB 's? and HB can easily do the same to the side armour of a vindi.

Nettik189 wrote:

Grugknuckle wrote:I REALLY like the 3 Vindicators. mmmmmm...tasty.

I don't think your Rhinos and vindicators need extra armor though. Depends on the points cost for xtra armor, but if you suffer a pen or glance, it's only 1 chance in 6 that you'll get stunned. I'd bet you could get something better for your points.

U need the EA on the Vindi so if you get stunned you can still move ie pivot or run away.

I agree in principle. It's just that the odds of getting a "stunned" result - the only one that EA affects - are very low. So what I'm saying is that, if EA is like 5 points AND you've got nothing else to spend that on, then fine take EA on all of your vindis. But if EA is like 15 points, then it's totally not worth it. You could find a better way to spend 45 points (15 x 3 Vindis).

Grugknuckle wrote:

Nettik189 wrote:

Grugknuckle wrote:I REALLY like the 3 Vindicators. mmmmmm...tasty.

I don't think your Rhinos and vindicators need extra armor though. Depends on the points cost for xtra armor, but if you suffer a pen or glance, it's only 1 chance in 6 that you'll get stunned. I'd bet you could get something better for your points.

U need the EA on the Vindi so if you get stunned you can still move ie pivot or run away.

I agree in principle. It's just that the odds of getting a "stunned" result - the only one that EA affects - are very low. So what I'm saying is that, if EA is like 5 points AND you've got nothing else to spend that on, then fine take EA on all of your vindis. But if EA is like 15 points, then it's totally not worth it. You could find a better way to spend 45 points (15 x 3 Vindis).

Well I guess its a good thing that BTs only pay 5pts for EA then...Anything with PotMS should have EA, no doubt about it. 3 Pts for smoke is a great deal as well the extra cover on the first turn or second turn before you can start blasting away is well worth 3pts each. While I think BT does best as pure shooty I would consider something like this with your initial list in mind.

HQ:140
Emporors Champion (AACNMTO) = 140

Elites:265
5xTermies (Tank Hunters,2xCML) = 265

Troops:598
5xInitiates,4xNeo (PF,Melta) = 145
Rhino (Searchlight) = 51

5xInitiates,4xNeo (PF,Melta) = 145
Rhino (Searchlight) = 51

5xInitiates (Lascannon,PG) = 101
Rhino = 50

5xInitiates (Lascannon) = 95
Rhino = 50

Heavy:489
Vindicators (PotMS, EA, Smoke) = 163

Vindicators (PotMS, EA, Smoke) = 163

Vindicators (PotMS, EA, Smoke) = 163

Fast:420
2xTyphoon = 140

2xTyphoon = 140

2xTyphoon = 140

Termies hand back and provide some counter assault for your 5 man squads. The Typhoons sit back and helps blast stuff, while a rhino provides cover for one Typhhon in each squad. The 9man squads tag along with the Vindis try to control midfield to start with.

BT EA is 5pts as tedurur said aswell, BT are based around mobility either a shooty or CC army they need to be able to move around.

As for tedururs list its not bad just a little changes, if you take out 2 Neo's for 1 Crusader and drop the Searchlight and give ur rhino EA it will be more a threat coming across the field
6 Initiates, 2 Neo PF, MG, Rhino EA 196

Then for ur Vindicators dont take Smoke its a waste unless you lose ur cannon then lets face it all ur gonna b doing with it is tank shocking units off objectives or trying to push them back.

The list will b 6 points over if its xactly 2k just drop a PG and ur fine.

I like playing an assault based army for my 2k lists though either or are pretty competitive basicaly drop the terminators & shooty squad for 9 terminators SS/TH and AACNMTO

Nettik189 wrote:
I like playing an assault based army for my 2k lists

Yup. With two LRC's.

Nope 3 Vindicators w/ PotMS, EA that way they normally only shoot at the vindis while the rhinos go up the field