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I was playing in the Bug Eater GT yesterday and had a rules dispute. I surrounded a GK Rhino with scarabs and wrecked his ride,. I thought his troops inside would be toast since they had no room to disembark but he told me they could emergency disembark and stay where they were.

Just wondering if I've been playing this wrong all this time.

Cpt Stubbs wrote:I was playing in the Bug Eater GT yesterday and had a rules dispute. I surrounded a GK Rhino with scarabs and wrecked his ride,. I thought his troops inside would be toast since they had no room to disembark but he told me they could emergency disembark and stay where they were.

Just wondering if I've been playing this wrong all this time.

Wrecked they die. Explodes they're placed in the crater.

If you get a Wrecked result, the unit is forced to disembark, and THEN the vehicle becomes a wreck. So if it's surrounded, they're all dead.

If you get an Explodes result, the model is removed and replaced with an area of difficult terrain/a crater the same size as the vehicle. The models are placed in it, but must be outside 1" of enemy models. Since the Rhino is 3" wide, this generally means you can place a 1 model wide line of models in the middle, if the Rhino is surrounded on both sides. Any models which can't be placed are dead.

Why couldn't they disembark on the vehicle if it merely becomes difficult and dangerous?

Because per the order of operations, it doesn't become difficult and dangerous until after they've gotten out.

erikwfg wrote:Why couldn't they disembark on the vehicle if it merely becomes difficult and dangerous?

I thought it wasn't difficult/dangerous till after they had disembarked. Until they finished disembarking, it is still a transport, therefore they can't surf it

Edit: Damn mod ninjas

You can, but you have to remain at least 1 inch away from enemy models in doing so, any models that can't be placed in the spot where the vehicle was after the explosion without being at least 1 inch away from enemies are destroyed.

EDIT: Gah! Mannahnin and Motyak ninjas got me!

The more I think on it the worse it gets. I thought you could climb on vehicles (especially orks). New house rule I guess.

You can climb on vehicles. You just can't disembark onto your own vehicle at the moment it's Wrecked.

THis has come up recently at our group as two of our guys field Mech BA and Mech IG. The vehicle must be 100% surrounded in order to prevent the emergancy disembark. So essentially, only swarms and hordes have a good chance of pulling it off.

worldwarme wrote:THis has come up recently at our group as two of our guys field Mech BA and Mech IG. The vehicle must be 100% surrounded in order to prevent the emergancy disembark. So essentially, only swarms and hordes have a good chance of pulling it off.

I thought that if the vehicle was partially surrounded so that some, but not all of the models that were inside could disembark in the event of a wreck, those that were unable to get out within the rules of being within 2" of the vehicle and 1" away from enemy models were destroyed (could be wrong though). Yes none horde armies can't kill the entire unit, but they still may be able to kill some of the models that were occupying the wrecked vehicle.

Yeah thats probably right. My gaurd are'nt chimera born and my DE are too fast, so it does'nt happen to me, but to the other guys in our club.

If the transport is surrounded and it wrecks the unit inside is dead, if it explodes some will survive but not all.


Wish I could have gone to the Bug Eater GT this year but I couldn't afford the 4 hour trip south to the tournament this year, though I hear there is a closer tournament this upcoming weekend(much smaller but it sounds like fun), so at least I can go to that one and have some fun.

erikwfg wrote:The more I think on it the worse it gets. I thought you could climb on vehicles (especially orks). New house rule I guess.

You can climb on wrecked vehicles. You can't climb onto functional vehicles, as models are treated as impassable terrain.

Actually you can never climb on top of a vehicle.

While the vehicle is alive you simply cannot, and when it is Wrecked it is no longer a Vehicle, but Terrain.

Steelmage99 wrote:Actually you can never climb on top of a vehicle.

While the vehicle is alive you simply cannot, and when it is Wrecked it is no longer a Vehicle, but Terrain.

I see what you did there.