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In a apoc game that is happening Thursday , We have 8 Players v 8 players . The Impeirum vs Orks , one Player on Each side was selected to be the Special Ops unit and have a secret objectvie that they hve to take or unit to kill , no one on either team knows , But my Technical oppenont is feilding 65 Ork Kommandos gloried up on Upgrades , my Forces are 60 Kasrkin Stormtroopers ( Ten man Squads and 2 plasma Guns per squad ) and im just wondering , What should i Expect ? and how should i deal with the Orks giving that i 've never fought them before . The area i will be facing him in is a abandon Weapons Factory - from what i recall /./......... Just looking for some advanced help so my Stormtroopers don't get munched on by Orks , THanks

They will outflank or infiltrate, either bomb rush you with burnas and assault you fast or shoot from afar and in cover with Big shootas.
They've got power klaws lots of attacks and will slaughter you in close combat.
Keep them out of arms reach, if they get close you've got no chance.

Stock up on AI weapons, only if that's only enemy.

thankyou , the Hot Shot lasguns ( Strength 3 AP 3 ) i think will be a little pointless seeing that im not fighting Space marines or MEQ's but over all with 18' range i think that might be problematic

yeah they are tricky but have low armor shoot em down

Now since i am pretty much guessing that the host of the event to be an ass ( he Plays Ultramarines ) is going to force me to tackle a large item , be it a Stompa , or something similar , would a full scale Deep Strike operation be viable to help aviod those kommandos ?

lol there is absolutely no reason to get more than one squad of Ork Kommandos.

There will be exactly one Power Klaw per Kommando Squad as per the Nob or in the Snikrot Squad there will be an IC. Each Squad will most likely be carrying Burnas. Burnas are Power Weapons in CC. Everything else is Slugga/Choppa.

Guaranteed they will try to get into close quarters as soon as possible and seize the most lucrative target, probably your Leman Russes and then start taking on Guard squads. If you're using foot guard, beware. If you're using a parking lot, get away from the table edges immediately, else pad your flanks with soft targets of little consequence.

TedNugent wrote:lol there is absolutely no reason to get more than one squad of Ork Kommandos.

There will be exactly one Power Klaw per Kommando Squad as per the Nob or in the Snikrot Squad there will be an IC. Each Squad will most likely be carrying Burnas. Burnas are Power Weapons in CC. Everything else is Slugga/Choppa.

Guaranteed they will try to get into close quarters as soon as possible and seize the most lucrative target, probably your Leman Russes and then start taking on Guard squads. If you're using foot guard, beware. If you're using a parking lot, get away from the table edges immediately, else pad your flanks with soft targets of little consequence.[/quotemy entire Army Are Kasrkin as per the apocalypse game lol

65 kommandos are expensive orks. they can infiltrate or out flank and they have move through cover but they are orks. you would be much worse off if he had 100 boyz. they have nothing special other then snikrot who can come on any board edge. shoot them and they will break and run away.

They're a problem because of move threw cover and burnas.

skkipper wrote:65 kommandos are expensive orks. they can infiltrate or out flank and they have move through cover but they are orks. you would be much worse off if he had 100 boyz. they have nothing special other then snikrot who can come on any board edge. shoot them and they will break and run away.

So over all i can shoot the living hell out of him with Hot-shot lasguns before he can cause major damage , and would a Mass Deep Strike offensive be onto my objective ( if it's something i have to hold ) be better off ?

looks like you are going to have to watch out for many first turn charges, and they will definitely get onto you turn 2.

Important things to remember:
once a game they all get fleet
good orks know how to abuse cover.
charge them or you are getting ~4 str 4 attacks per ork, and they will have the same initiative as you. if you charge them they are str 3 and initiative 2.
They are going to be rushing towards you, so if you can find a bottleneck abuse it.

The strategy I would use is to bubble wrap my main force to prevent everyone getting locked into combat on the first or second turn. After that I'd have to see if it was better to charge or rapid fire into the orks (if I know the unit I was going to charge in with would lose the combat or get charged the next turn). Ideally my goal would be to stop the orks from pushing forward while eliminating as many squads as possible.

If the ork player reserves everything then deep striking could work because everything would be very random and holding the center while dropping further out to keep him from having one blob to charge into may help. If he opts to infiltrate whatever you have on the board that isn't in deep strike is going to die quickly, and if you deep strike everything you are going to have to be the one moving towards the orks that are going to be sitting on the objectives from turn 1.

If you want to cheese out a bit and can change your list then throw in some flame throwers that sit behind the bubble wrap.

now that I have found my guard codex here is what I would do:

Give every guy reconnaissance, Deploy units in a wide arc//circle to where the ork cannot infiltrate inside the arc. Scout everyone back 6". This prevents the first turn charge if they go first. If you go first stay back as far as possible and enjoy 2-3 turns of shooting. He is most likely going to be running towards you so he can still hit you turn 2, but it is more probable for him to hit you on turn 3 if you don't run out of room. Also you could throw one squad forward on turn two while everyone else falls back which should buy you another turn because he will have to move around that squad or waste a turn eating it.

Kommandoz are boyz with the option for burnaz and some additional deployment rules. I really wouldn't put too much thought into it...