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I haven't played a game since 2nd edition. Have recently got back into 40k. I sold all my models when I was younger so I'm pretty much using everything that's painted in this list. I might get a few Rhinos if I can fit them in by removing something.
So, without further adoo!

HQ - 175pts

Wolf Lord - 175pts
Terminator armour, frost blade, melta bombs, saga of the beastslayer, Fenrisian Wolf

ELITES - 523pts

Wolf Guard x6 293pts
WG1: Plasma pistol, frost blade (joins Blood Claws)
WG2: Terminator armour, frost blade
WG3: Terminator armour, assault cannon, chainfist
WG4: Terminator armour, wolf claw x2
WG5: Terminator armour, wolf claw
WG6: Terminator armour, wolf claw

Dreadnought - 105pts
Multi-melta

Lone Wolf - 65pts
Plasma pistol, thunder hammer

TROOPS - 300pts

Grey Hunters x 10 - 150pts
Flamer, plasma gun

Blood Claws x 9 - 150 pts
Power weapon

What do you think? Will I do well, or get owned? What would you change?
Also, am I correct in reading that I get the plasma gun in the Grey Hunter squad for free because there are 10 of them? Or does "no extra cost" mean I still have to pay the normal cost, just no EXTRA cost?
62pts to spare. Hmmm.

You have to pay for the first special, the second one is free.

You are better off taking a rune priest for your hq.

Your dread is not going to cost that much.

Yea I just realised I accidently paid for a Ven dreadnought. That means I have 60pts to play with!

I'd drop the Blood Claws and replace them with Grey Hunters. They are pretty much better in every aspect. Yes they don't get the +2 attacks on the charge but they also don't get hit on 3+s by most units while in combat either.

I'd probably drop the Wolf Lord and get a Rune Priest with Chooser of the Slain, and then 2 of Living Lightning, JOTWW and Murderous Hurricane. Cheaper and will probably be a bit more effective.

I'd also be tempted to drop a few Wolf Guard, that's a lot there for a 1000pt list. I'd drop the one that will join the Blood Claws, so that you can swap them for a 9-man squad of Grey Hunters and then you can put the Rune Priest in there. I'd probably also drop Wolf Guard 6 as well.

I also think that you need some long range firepower in there. Maybe a couple of squads of Long Fangs with Missile Launchers, of course, you'll probably have to try and find some more points, maybe dropping the Lone Wolf.

Hope this is useful.

You could free up 20 points by not giving the Wolf Guard single wolf claws, they draw no benefit from a single one, with the points you could add a Mark of the Wulfen to the Grey hunters, always points well spent imho

Since you're playing with the models you already have painted, I'm assuming it's too late to change "Frost Blades" into Wolf claws. Wolf claws are not only superior to Frost Blades (WC wound T4 models 75% of the time, while FB wound T4 models 66% of the time), but they are 5 points cheaper too.

The frost blades are a waste of points. This is just my opinion, so take it with the necessary amount of salt, but I would just take every frost blade in the army and call it a power weapon instead. That will get you 10 points times how every many FB's you have. (= 30 points?) Use it to buy a rhino.


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Malthor wrote:You could free up 20 points by not giving the Wolf Guard single wolf claws, they draw no benefit from a single one ...

Disagree. Wolf Claws allow you to choose to either re-roll to hit or re-roll to wound. That re-roll is DRAMATICALLY more effective than both a WTN (if you choose to re-roll to hit) and a frost blade (if you choose to re-roll to wound).

Plus, having the option to choose which one you want to re-roll gives you a lot of flexibility. For example, if you are fighting an independent character with a high weapon skill, you can choose to re-roll to hit - giving you a 75% chance to hit with each attack instead of 50%. But on the other hand, if you're fighting against a monstrous creature (or something) with a high toughness, you can choose to re-roll to wound. In that case, if you normally needed 6+ to wound for each hit (16.6% chance) then with the re-roll you improve to a 30.5% chance. That's almost as good as wounding on a 5+.

Finally, with one wolf claw you can still shoot your storm bolter! Why add a second WC for 10 points to get one extra attack in CC, when you could spend 5 points and get a combi-weapon instead - or no points and keep your storm bolter?

Malthor wrote:You could free up 20 points by not giving the Wolf Guard single wolf claws, they draw no benefit from a single one, with the points you could add a Mark of the Wulfen to the Grey hunters, always points well spent imho

How do they draw no benefit by themselves? This makes no sense. Re-rolls are re-rolls, you don't need 2 of them to get the re-roll benefit. It's basically a power sword that can be re-rolled added to the stormbolter, that's not something to drop on a whim unless you're trying to make a point limit.


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As for the army modifications:

The Lord
-Drop the Frost Blade & Wolf Hound
+Add Wolf Claw instead and if you're keeping him inplace of a Rune Priest give him the Wolf Tail Talisman to give your army some anti-psyker ability.

Wolf Guard
-Drop the Blood Claws WG altogether

Dreadnought
+Add TL Lascannon & Missile Launcher pod, you don't have enough long range fire support, this will help, keep him at max range as much as possible and use his immense 48" range to your advantage.

Lone Wolf
-Drop him (you'll need his pts for the Dreadnought change.

Blood Claws
-Convert them to Grey Hunters with a Meltagun, Standard (atleast, if you have more points Rhino, if you max it to 10, a second free meltagun.)

If you can finagle the points in some way (and have the units or can buy them) add an all missile squad of Long Fangs. They would help support your dreadnought in the long range fire department greatly.

These suggestions are keeping with what you already have and not completely converting it, since it sounds like you may not be looking to buy a whole new army.

As always, best of luck to you.

Thanks for the input guys! I will drop the Blood Claws WG, and the lone wolf. Wolf Tail Talisman sounds like a good Idea.

It's a bit late to cut up all my Blood Claws and give them bolters. I just don't want to. Besides, variety is the spice of life. The Dread is the assault on black reach one with wolfy bits stuck on him, If I want lascannons and missile pod I'll have to buy a whole new Dread. I love my doggy and won't let him go! lol. Only 10 pts anyhow, and basically gives the Lord another wound (not something to sniff at).

I will use some of the points to get a Rhino. Not sure what I'll do about long range firepower. I do have an old Predator Annihilator. Anyone know how to convert a 2nd edition pred turret so it turns? Also, does the Wolf tooth necklace help melta-bombs to hit walkers?


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Whoa... I just looked up the Wolf tooth necklace melta bombs vs dreds thing. 3 threads, all very heated and inconclusive. I'll just leave it alone until 6th edition. Hopefully it'll get cleared up then.

As grey hunters carry both bolters and bolt pistols and chainswords at the same time you wouldnt have to cut anything up. You could run them as grey hunters as is. Blood Claws still have their place, but to get the most out of Blood Claws you need to run them in larger packs with a Wolf Priest to lead them.

The problem I have with these choices is that they aren't as mobile, and you aren't doing your self any favors in other styles of fighting that isn't annihilation. You need rhinos and razorbacks to scoot around the map and claim objectives. Also the lonewolf seems really alone without terminator armor or fenrisian wolves to soak up hits.

Fexor wrote:

Malthor wrote:You could free up 20 points by not giving the Wolf Guard single wolf claws, they draw no benefit from a single one, with the points you could add a Mark of the Wulfen to the Grey hunters, always points well spent imho

How do they draw no benefit by themselves? This makes no sense. Re-rolls are re-rolls, you don't need 2 of them to get the re-roll benefit. It's basically a power sword that can be re-rolled added to the stormbolter, that's not something to drop on a whim unless you're trying to make a point limit.

Noticed that one myself yesterday after reading up on something else, someone who's normally pretty solid on rules told me I'd need a pair for rerolls, so I never questioned that, sorry for any confusion caused

delta6ix wrote:As grey hunters carry both bolters and bolt pistols and chainswords at the same time you wouldnt have to cut anything up. You could run them as grey hunters as is. Blood Claws still have their place, but to get the most out of Blood Claws you need to run them in larger packs with a Wolf Priest to lead them.

What he said. I especially like the the part about the Wolf Priest.

It's a lot of points, but for a big fun game I like to take a unit of 15 Blood Claws with two flamers and a power weapon, atttach a stock Wolf Priest in power armor and put them in a Land Raider Crusader.

I know it's a huge point sink so not really recommended for competetive games, but it's perfectly in character with the space wolves and very killy in close combat.

Malthor wrote:

Fexor wrote:

Malthor wrote:You could free up 20 points by not giving the Wolf Guard single wolf claws, they draw no benefit from a single one, with the points you could add a Mark of the Wulfen to the Grey hunters, always points well spent imho

How do they draw no benefit by themselves? This makes no sense. Re-rolls are re-rolls, you don't need 2 of them to get the re-roll benefit. It's basically a power sword that can be re-rolled added to the stormbolter, that's not something to drop on a whim unless you're trying to make a point limit.

Noticed that one myself yesterday after reading up on something else, someone who's normally pretty solid on rules told me I'd need a pair for rerolls, so I never questioned that, sorry for any confusion caused

Not a problem. We all make mistakes. I just wasn't sure where you were coming from. Oh well, it's in the past.

I looked up the vanilla lightning claws as well and they don't require to be paired to get the re-roll, granted they're only re-roll to wound where as the SW are re-roll to hit or wound. So I don't know where he got those rules from, I was hoping it was just a mix up, but now I don't know.


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Grugknuckle wrote:

delta6ix wrote:As grey hunters carry both bolters and bolt pistols and chainswords at the same time you wouldnt have to cut anything up. You could run them as grey hunters as is. Blood Claws still have their place, but to get the most out of Blood Claws you need to run them in larger packs with a Wolf Priest to lead them.

What he said. I especially like the the part about the Wolf Priest.

It's a lot of points, but for a big fun game I like to take a unit of 15 Blood Claws with two flamers and a power weapon, atttach a stock Wolf Priest in power armor and put them in a Land Raider Crusader.

I know it's a huge point sink so not really recommended for competetive games, but it's perfectly in character with the space wolves and very killy in close combat.

My favorite variant of this (which is a little less point intensive and there for a bit easier to field) is 9 Blood Claws + Wolf Priest in either a Rhino or Drop pod with a Power Weapon. I just love the amount of attacks they can put out. However, I agree it's alot more fluffy then competitive, but it sure is fun!

Here is my standard 1000 SW list. It plays well and is pretty versatile. Has firepower, mobile, GH pack punch with CA & Wolf Standard, and the Dreadnought w/ MM getting behind enemy lines on first turn w/ DP wrecks havoc. Not to mention the wolf tail talisman always hits on 3+ in CC, it's pretty mean.

1000 Pts - Space Wolves Roster - SW 1000
HQ: Rune Priest in Power Armour (1#, 100 pts)
1 Rune Priest in Power Armour, 100 pts (I like Living Lightning and Murderous Hurricane - slows down anything)

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (8#, 155 pts)
7 Grey Hunters Pack, 155 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Wolf Standard; Bolt Pistol x7; Bolter x6; Close Combat Weapon x7; Meltagun; Acute Senses; And They
Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Rhino (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 1;
Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter; Repair)
Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (8#, 155 pts)
7 Grey Hunters Pack, 155 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Wolf Standard; Bolt Pistol x7; Bolter x6; Close Combat Weapon x7; Meltagun; Acute Senses; And They
Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Rhino (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 1;
Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter; Repair)
Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (8#, 155 pts)
7 Grey Hunters Pack, 155 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Wolf Standard; Bolt Pistol x7; Bolter x6; Close Combat Weapon x7; Meltagun; Acute Senses; And They
Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Rhino (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 1;
Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter; Repair)

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (4#, 105 pts)
2 Long Fangs Pack, 105 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Close Combat Weapon x2; Missile Launcher x2; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counterattack;
Fire Control)
1 Squad Leader (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol;
Close Combat Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3;
Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter)
Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (4#, 105 pts)
2 Long Fangs Pack, 105 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour;
Close Combat Weapon x2; Missile Launcher x2; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counterattack;
Fire Control)
1 Squad Leader (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol;
Close Combat Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3;
Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter)
Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (3#, 65 pts)
2 Long Fangs Pack, 65 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Close
Combat Weapon x2; Missile Launcher x2; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack;
Fire Control)
1 Squad Leader (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol;
Close Combat Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)
p1

Elite: Dreadnought (2#, 160 pts)
1 Dreadnought, 160 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Wolftooth
Necklace; Dreadnought CCW; Heavy Flamer; Multi-melta)
1 Drop Pod (Unit Type: Vehicle (Open-topped); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Storm Bolter; Drop
Pod Assault; Immobile; Inertial Guidance System)

Total Roster Cost: 1000