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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/06 20:45:56
	  
	    Subject: Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									Using the 2 player starter set and a few extras I came up with this list:
  
  High Exemplar Kreoss
  * Repenter
  * Crusader
  * Vanquisher
  Exemplar Cinerators (Leader and 4 Grunts)
  Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts)
  * Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer
  Exemplar Errant Seneschal
  
  Have 2 points left and trying to decide between a a 2nd Senechal (if I can even have one), 2 Vassal Mechanics or a 4 man unit of Choir.
							 
							
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 Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/07 02:31:11
	  
	    Subject: Re:Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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                            Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
	 
 
 
	
	
	 
	
 
		
 
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									Choir.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/07 19:53:51
	  
	    Subject: Re:Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									nice, but get a choir and a vassal.
							 
							
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    Khador 75p
    Menoth 35p
    Circle 25p
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/07 20:08:25
	  
	    Subject: Re:Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									Would this be better?:
  
  High Exemplar Kreoss
  * Repenter
  * Crusader
  * Vanquisher
  Choir of Menoth (Leader and 5 Grunts) 
  Exemplar Cinerators (Leader and 2 Grunts) 
  Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts)
  * Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer
  Exemplar Errant Seneschal
  Vassal of Menoth
							 
							
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 Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/07 20:28:30
	  
	    Subject: Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									Your 2nd list is much better.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/08 02:52:48
	  
	    Subject: Re:Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									Personally, I don't think there is much value in taking the max choir. The min ought to suffice for you, and Menoth can always find a use for an extra point (Wracks or a mechanic, for example).
  
  I'm not a huge fan of Cinerators either, but if you have nothing else to use then go for it.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/09 23:24:01
	  
	    Subject: Re:Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									Is there value in taking 2 or more units of choir?  My thought was to grab 2 boxes of them so I can have 2 or 3 smaller units of them to buff my jacks
							 
							
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 Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/06/10 01:14:24
	  
	    Subject: Starting Menoth 35pts 
	
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									Seeing as a 'jack can only benefit from one hymn at a time, it would be a bit complicated to really get some mileage off multiple Choirs.
  I think it would be rather situational and you would get better value for your points in another way. Don't let it stop you from trying if you want to, but for a first wave of purchase I do think a Vassal of Menoth would serve you better.
							 
							
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