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So I am getting together a Dark Angels army and I want a heavy Deathwing list. I love the idea of Cyclone Missile Launchers and Dreadnoughts, so both of those things should get a shout out, here's what I dreamt up:

HQ- Belial w/ Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield-130
Elite- Venerable Dreadnought w/ Missile Launcher and Plasma Cannon-155
Troop 1- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 2- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 3- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 4- 2 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, and Deathwing Company Banner, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-260
Heavy Support 1- Land Raider-250
Heavy Support 2- Land Raider-250
Heavy Support 3- Land Raider-250
Total-2000

No vehicles? With only 20 models, you're going to get wrecked before you even get into CC.

While this kind of list is cool to think about, it's just not practical or winnable.

Mobile armies will Kite you to death. (ie. Eldar, DE)
Mass armies with overwhelm you. (ie. Nids, Orks)
Well rounded and competitive lists will table you by turn 3-4.

Not to mention your list is illegal. You need to re-read the Wolf Guard entry when it comes to the Heavy weapons, because you're kitting them wrong.

If you want an all Terminator list, Loganwing can do it, but GK and Dark Angels do it better IIRC.

Forgot to mention, I will only be fighting marines. And how is it illegal?

I like putting Logan Grimmnar in a unit of long fangs. give them a lascannon a missile launcher x2 a multimelta and a plasma cannon.

make them 10 strong and a rune priest.


so you have all those heavy weapons JotWW and living lightning.

grim can give them relentless, and on the enemies turn he can give the PE. so you got leadership 10 PE and counter attack. If anything charges them you counter attack with PE and then pop grims extra attack thing. so you get +2 attack each.

its devastating.

I do not play space wolfs, but a friend does and he runs that in tournies and does very well. it's expensive but still very strong.

TheAngrySquig wrote:Forgot to mention, I will only be fighting marines. And how is it illegal?

Wolf Guard; per unit; can only have a maximum of "2" heavy weapons in them with the max amount of guys 10.

As the codex says in their entry "per 5" members "one" Wolf Guard can have a Heavy Flamer OR Assault Cannon OR Cyclone Missile Launcher. You have all 3 in one squad of 6 guys, at most you can only have one heavy weapon in that squad.

That's how it's illegal.

Fexor wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:Forgot to mention, I will only be fighting marines. And how is it illegal?

Wolf Guard; per unit; can only have a maximum of "2" heavy weapons in them with the max amount of guys 10.

As the codex says in their entry "per 5" members "one" Wolf Guard can have a Heavy Flamer OR Assault Cannon OR Cyclone Missile Launcher. You have all 3 in one squad of 6 guys, at most you can only have one heavy weapon in that squad.

That's how it's illegal.

my group has always read it as one of each

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Fexor wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:Forgot to mention, I will only be fighting marines. And how is it illegal?

Wolf Guard; per unit; can only have a maximum of "2" heavy weapons in them with the max amount of guys 10.

As the codex says in their entry "per 5" members "one" Wolf Guard can have a Heavy Flamer OR Assault Cannon OR Cyclone Missile Launcher. You have all 3 in one squad of 6 guys, at most you can only have one heavy weapon in that squad.

That's how it's illegal.

my group has always read it as one of each

Well then I hate to tell you, your group is doing it wrong. Every 5 gets you 1 weapon.

SW Codex Pg. 30 - Bullet 5 under options:

"For every five models in the squad, one Wolf Guard model in Terminator armor may choose one of the following:
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher"

Not to sound condescending, but this is pretty simple, it's not convoluted at all. 5 models in the WG squad = 1 heavy weapon, so a full squad of 10 only gets 2 weapons, but you must meet the 5 or 10 requirement in order to take one or two.

However, if you want to play house rules, that's up to you and your gaming group. But just know if/when you post a list on here, if you don't state that you're using house rules and supply that information you're going to be told your list is illegal by the rules, because it is.


Note: Emphasis is my own for clarification purposes only.

Alright then, one hell of a revision



HQ 1- Logan Grimnar-275
HQ 2- Master of Runes w/ Terminator Armor, Thunderclap, and Jaws-170
Troop 1- 3 Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Wolf Claws, 1 Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Wolf Claws and Cyclone-315
Troop 2- 5 Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Frost Blades and Storm Bolters, Arjac-385
Troop 3- 3 Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Chainfists and Storm Bolters, 1 Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Frost Blade and Wolf Claw, 1 Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Frost Blade, Wolf Claw and, Cyclone-280
Troop 4- 3 Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Chainfists and Storm Bolters, 1 Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Frost Blade and Storm Bolter, 1 Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Frost Blade, Storm Bolter and, Cyclone-260
Troop 5- 4 Wolf Guard Terminators w/ 2 Chainfists, Wolf Guard Terminator w/ 2 Chainfists and Cyclone-315
Total-2000

Better?

Grugknuckle wrote:No vehicles? With only 20 models, you're going to get wrecked before you even get into CC.

This....
20 models at 2k points is not enough. What happens when you face a IG army with 3 vendettas? The vendettas alone can kill 25% of your army in one round of shooting -- and that leaves another 1500 points of IG to shoot you!

TheAngrySquig wrote:Alright then, one hell of a revision

Better?

I get what you what to do here, but the fact is that if you want to run a terminator army list this one you should be running DA. SW pay way to much for those TH/SS termies, and your still sitting at 20 models.

This is a 1500 point SW list I am using at a tourney next week. It might meet your desires/needs and still give you the bodies.

Rune Priest w/Terminator Armor + Jaws/Living Lighting
10 man Grey Hunter Pack w/MG, PG, Wolf Standard -- CML/PF wolf guard terminator joins
10 man Grey Hunter Pack w/MG, PG, Wolf Standard -- CML/PF wolf guard terminator joins
10 man Grey Hunter Pack w/PG, PG, Wolf Standard -- CML/PF wolf guard terminator joins
10 man Grey Hunter Pack w/PG, PG, Wolf Standard -- CML/PF wolf guard terminator joins
8 Wolf Guard Pack. 5 w/BP, CCW. 2 PF/terminator, 1 PS/terminator
8 Wolf Guard Pack. 5 w/BP, CCW. 2 PF/terminator, 1 PS/terminator

In this list, all your CMLs are buried into grey hunter squads. You still have 2 squads with 3 terminators each to act as speed bumps -- both of which have 5 bullet catchers. You also get a nice variety of special weapons in your grey hunter squads to help handle situations.
You have 11 terminators and a total of 61 bodies on the table. To bump it to 2k you can add your favorite special characters and maybe 1 more GH squad.

labmouse42 wrote:

I get what you what to do here, but the fact is that if you want to run a terminator army list this one you should be running DA. SW pay way to much for those TH/SS termies, and your still sitting at 20 models.

First of all, why all caps in the title?

I don't know enough about DA to make an educated suggestion to your list.
I can tell you that I've played a few DA armies. They usually bring vindicators, typhoons, or other support elements.
Not sure why, but I am sure there is a reason.

I was actually trying to avoid Vehicles (apart from Dreadnoughts) as much as possible, I just really don't like them


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But then I caved when I thought of the potential of 3 AV14 vehicles full of death steaming towards the enemy lines. As I said, its a pre-heresy campaign so that explains why I'm using regular Land Raiders over Crusaders, gotta stay fluffy


HQ- Belial w/ Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield-130
Elite- Venerable Dreadnought w/ Missile Launcher and Plasma Cannon-155
Troop 1- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 2- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 3- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 4- 2 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, and Deathwing Company Banner, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-260
Heavy Support 1- Land Raider-250
Heavy Support 2- Land Raider-250
Heavy Support 3- Land Raider-250
Total-2000

Although I really don't know. Its that vs this:

HQ- Belial w/ Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield-130
Elite- Venerable Dreadnought w/ Missile Launcher and Plasma Cannon-155
Troop 1- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 2- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 3- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 4- 2 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, and Deathwing Company Banner, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-260
Troop 5- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Narcethium, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-265
Troop 6- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Heavy Support 1- Vindicator-125
Heavy Support 2- Vindicator-125

The only thing I can think of to suggest atm would be to try and find a space to squeeze in some chainfists. They're worth the points if you end up stuck in cc with an Ironclad or trying to hack through a Land Raider.

TheAngrySquig wrote:Although I really don't know. Its that vs this:

HQ- Belial w/ Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield-130
Elite- Venerable Dreadnought w/ Missile Launcher and Plasma Cannon-155
Troop 1- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 2- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 3- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Troop 4- 2 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, and Deathwing Company Banner, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-260
Troop 5- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Narcethium, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-265
Troop 6- 3 Deathwing Terminators w/ Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, 1 w/ Lightning Claws, 1 w/ Lightning Claws and Cyclone-235
Heavy Support 1- Vindicator-125
Heavy Support 2- Vindicator-125

Not too bad but I recommend dropping the Vindi's, the Dread and probably Troop 6. Instead put in 2 or 3 Raven Wing bike squads, you don't need the speeders but if you drop to 4 5-man Death Wing squads you can probably work them in. But really what you need are the bikes for their locator beacons and maybe a meltagun. I don't have the Codex so I won't rework your list with point costs. but I would say;

Belial
4 Death Wing squads with 3 TH/SS- 1 LC- 1LC/CML
2-3 Raven Wing bike squads points premitting (take Typhoons if at all possible)

I have played against a list built like this and it is a beast. It playes well whether objective bassed ot kill point based.

Having 3 TH SS and 2 LC with a cyclone on someone is a pretty safe setup if you want a TAAC list. I like vindicators over 3x LR. Maybe 1 LR and 2 vinidis or something, but dont take the normal LR, make it a crusader. If you can spare the points, taking 3x Land Speeder Typhoons with the typhoon missile launcher and a MM is well worth it.