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Hello, I had a question about counter attack and psyk out grenades. As well furious charge

First off the space wolf FAQ says that if Ragnar blackmane and his unit are assaulted and counter attack is passed his unit gains ca and furious charge. I was wondering does that mean a unit like the traveler from the necrons also applies as in the traveler gets ca and FC?

In saying that does a grey knight with CA and psyk Out grenades get to use them when they are assaulted if they pass CA?

It doesn't say that. It says they don't get Furious Charge as they aren't assaulting. All they get is the +1 Attack. So anything that keys specifically off Assaulting (such as grenades and Furious Charge) won't trigger off a successful Counter Attack roll.

Chrysis wrote:It doesn't say that. It says they don't get Furious Charge as they aren't assaulting. All they get is the +1 Attack. So anything that keys specifically off Assaulting (such as grenades and Furious Charge) won't trigger off a successful Counter Attack roll.

I just re read it and it says"ragnars unit does indeed gain furious charge"

Q. Picture this: My Grey Hunters unit including Ragnar
Blackmane is assaulted and makes a successful
Leadership test to Counter-attack. Do they then benefit
from his Furious Charge special rule (+1 S and +1 I)?
Also, can the original assaulter then deploy defensive
grenades to rob the Space Wolves of their Counterattack
bonus? (p55)
A. The Counter-attack special rule only confers the +1
assault bonus and no other advantages normally
associated with assaulting. Therefore Ragnar’s unit does
not benefit from Furious Charge. Also, we think it is a
bit rich for an assaulting unit to get the bonus for
attacking and defending, so no, defensive grenades
cannot be used to negate the bonus attack from
counter-attacking.

Edit: Copied directly from the Space Wolves FAQ.

Happyjew wrote:Q. Picture this: My Grey Hunters unit including Ragnar
Blackmane is assaulted and makes a successful
Leadership test to Counter-attack. Do they then benefit
from his Furious Charge special rule (+1 S and +1 I)?
Also, can the original assaulter then deploy defensive
grenades to rob the Space Wolves of their Counterattack
bonus? (p55)
A. The Counter-attack special rule only confers the +1
assault bonus and no other advantages normally
associated with assaulting. Therefore Ragnar’s unit does
not benefit from Furious Charge. Also, we think it is a
bit rich for an assaulting unit to get the bonus for
attacking and defending, so no, defensive grenades
cannot be used to negate the bonus attack from
counter-attacking.

Edit: Copied directly from the Space Wolves FAQ.

Am I reading the wrong FAQ? http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m800008a_FAQ_SpaceWolves_2009

Can't seem to find another one

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&start=2

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2170015a_Space_Wolves_FAQ_Version_1_2_January_2012.pdf
Most current space wolves FAQ.

I'm not sure how you couldn't find it -games workshop FAQ in google has always pulled it up first on any computer I use.


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Side note - this quote would've served well in a semi-recent 10 pager:

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results to be re-rolled? (p62)
A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a single roll, not address them individually.

rigeld2 wrote:
Side note - this quote would've served well in a semi-recent 10 pager:

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results to be re-rolled? (p62)
A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a single roll, not address them individually.

Wow, good job finding that one. I'm sure you'll still find someone who'll argue with you though. Somewhere on the interwebs.

motyak wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Side note - this quote would've served well in a semi-recent 10 pager:

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results to be re-rolled? (p62)
A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a single roll, not address them individually.

Wow, good job finding that one. I'm sure you'll still find someone who'll argue with you though. Somewhere on the interwebs.

Legit it is the first and only one I find in google... I'm on my phone though

rigeld2 wrote:
Side note - this quote would've served well in a semi-recent 10 pager:

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results to be re-rolled? (p62)
A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a single roll, not address them individually.

So many people accuse me of being awkward about SW rules on here cos I am playing to advantage but that is just crazy wrong.

liturgies of blood wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Side note - this quote would've served well in a semi-recent 10 pager:

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results to be re-rolled? (p62)
A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a single roll, not address them individually.

So many people accuse me of being awkward about SW rules on here cos I am playing to advantage but that is just crazy wrong.

How is it wrong?

Anyone trying to argue getting a re-roll of the leadership out of a wolf banner, it's a joke.

liturgies of blood wrote:Anyone trying to argue getting a re-roll of the leadership out of a wolf banner, it's a joke.

Ah. The argument at the time was re-rolling 1d6 out of a leadership test with the Necron Chronometron (or whatever it is).