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Have been having a play around with the Grey Wolf book, still not played a game yet however as I have been busy making my mini's look pretty also a few of my men seem to have gone AWOL prior to arriving at my lines so making do with what I currently own (apart from the NW41's although they really do look good)

Total List Cost: 1500 (5 Platoons)

Company HQ, 225 pts
1 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon - 220
Command Panzerknacker SMG, Sd Kfz 251/1, 6 x MG, 3 x Sd Kfz 251/1

Motorised Artillery Battery - 215
1 x Command Panzerknacker SMG, 1 Sd Kfz 251/1, 6 x MG, 3 x Sd Kfz 251/1

Motorised Artillery Battery - 115
1 Command SMG, 1x Staff Team, 1 x Observer Rifle Team, 1 x Kublewagen
2 x 10.5cm leFH18

Rocket Launcher Battery - 75
1 x Command SMG, 1 x Observer Rifle, 1 x Kubelwagen,
2 x 15cm NW41 Rocket Launcher

Motorised Artillery Battery - 215
1 x Command Panzerknacker SMG, 1 Sd Kfz 251/1, 6 x MG, 3 x Sd Kfz 251/1

I smell typos here...

And what i think is you need either AAs or another infantry platoon. Also 2(3) indirect units is a bit all eggs in one basket.

Othewise the list looks solid and tough

Yeah I think I must have had a brain fart there

Total List Cost: 1500 (5 Platoons)

Company HQ, 225 pts
1 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon - 220
Command Panzerknacker SMG, Sd Kfz 251/1, 6 x MG, 3 x Sd Kfz 251/1

Motorised Artillery Battery - 115
1 Command SMG, 1x Staff Team, 1 x Observer Rifle Team, 1 x Kublewagen
2 x 10.5cm leFH18

Rocket Launcher Battery - 75
1 x Command SMG, 1 x Observer Rifle, 1 x Kubelwagen,
2 x 15cm NW41 Rocket Launcher

We don't have any aircraft currently since I am learning the game so its a 'user friendly' list

What do you mean about the indirect hits?

He means two artillery units is usually one too many for what they accomplish.

Also consider you have two, two stand units. Both of those are going to be rerolling hits. Both of them only have to loose one stand and are rendered practically useless.

I would drop the 10.5s. The 115 points doesn't give a ton of options, but it could let you get 2 more tubes of nebels and a nebel AT section. The 50mm gun isn't great, but it does have three shots. You could bump the panzerknacker up to a faust then.

Conversely, you could use the nebels only for pinning at two tubes and the 10.5 points could be used on a unit of scouts.

Ah I see, sorry used to Orc and Goblin artillery (take two the first'll break turn 1)

Well since I own most of the list (except the NW41's) so would only need the Konigstiger and the AA Platoon

Company HQ, 240 pts
1 Tiger I E,
Bergpanther Recovery

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 345 pts
1 Konigstiger

Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon - 225
Command Panzerknacker SMG, Sd Kfz 251/1, 6 x MG, 3 x Sd Kfz 251/1

Motorised Artillery Battery - 210
1 Command SMG, 1x Staff Team, 2 x Observer Rifle Team, 2 x Kublewagen,
4 x 10.5cm leFH18

Luftwaffe Heavy AA Gun Platoon - 50
Command SMG, Kfz 15 Field Car, 8.8cm Flak 36, Kfz 7 (8t) half-track

Have lost a Tiger, upped the artillery, included a recovery vehicle and included some AA

Granted, I havn't played a long time, but I like your first list better. The one with the 5 tigers, Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon and Rocket Launcher Battery. I would drop the Motorised Artillery Battery (x2) and consider using those points for maybe a recon unit to sniff out AT guns or even help hitting stuff. Extra points I'd plow into making the Rocket Launcher Battery bigger.

Since you said its a friendly list and your not really facing Air support, I wouldn't even consider AA yet.

Well after this I am planning on making a hungarian force so the rockets would.make a good investment to both forces i suppose. How does cavalry fare in this game?

Here are my two suggestions for you. Both have rocket launchers to pin down enemy infantry. The second list is more defensive list as you don't have armored half-trucks to transport your infantry, BUT you have scouts which you can use to spot for your tigers.

For playing, I'd do:
- Attack with the first list full from either flank, never from the middle!
- Second list, use your infantry to defend first one flank or middle (check the objective placement for this) and attack with tigers, use scouts to spot enemies for your tigers. Later on when your tigers have lured the enemy away from your infantrys side of the table, rush them to the other side and win the day (remember to use cover for running, double hits DO hurt, even on veterans).

Company HQ, 240 pts
1 Tiger I E
1 x Bergepanther Recovery (just to fill up points and if needed, to help your tigers to move)

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon - 230 pts
Command Panzerfaust SMG, Sd Kfz 251/1, 6 x MG, 3 x Sd Kfz 251/1

Rocket Launcher Battery - 160 pts
1 x Command SMG, 1 x Observer Rifle, 1 x Kubelwagen,
3 x 15cm NW41 Rocket Launcher
1 x 7.5cm PaK40, 1 x Sd Kfz 11 Half-track

Total: 1490 pts

or

Company HQ, 225 pts
1 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Panzer Scout Platoon - 110 pts
1 x Command Motorcycle MG, 2 x Motorcycle MG

Panzergrenadier Platoon - 195 pts
Command Panzerfaust SMG, 1 x Kfz 15 field Car, 6 x MG, 3 x Kfz 70 Truck

Rocket Launcher Battery - 115 pts
1 x Command SMG, 1 x Observer Rifle, 1 x Kubelwagen,
3 x 15cm NW41 Rocket Launcher

Total: 1495 pts

I really do like that second list, thank you very much.

To fill up the points how about

Company HQ, 225 pts
1 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Schwere Panzer Platoon - 430 pts
2 Tiger I E

Panzer Scout Platoon - 110 pts
Command Panzerfaust SMG, 2 x Motorcycle MG

Panzergrenadier Platoon - 190 pts
Command Panzerknacker SMG, 1 x Kfz 15 field Car, 6 x MG, 3 x Kfz 70 Truck

Rocket Launcher Battery - 115 pts
1 x Command SMG, 1 x Observer Rifle, 1 x Kubelwagen,
3 x 15cm NW41 Rocket Launcher

Total: 1500 pts

or is the addition of the Panzerfaust on the Motorcycle team and downgrade to Panzerknacker on the Panzergrenadier PLatoon not really worth it?

The motorcycle platoon is there to scout and if your lucky pick one something like unguarded artillery. They lack the numbers and the firepower to take on virtually anything capable of defending itself. The panzergrandiers on the other hand are your primary assault unit and a panzerfaust will be a much better buy for them than a knacker.

Palindrome wrote:The motorcycle platoon is there to scout and if your lucky pick one something like unguarded artillery. They lack the numbers and the firepower to take on virtually anything capable of defending itself. The panzergrandiers on the other hand are your primary assault unit and a panzerfaust will be a much better buy for them than a knacker.

I agree with this. The scouts are only for scouting up dug in and concealed+gtg enemies for your tanks and pzgrens.

Stop tinkering got it. So where can I get these bikes from?

You can get them from Peter Pig for just over a fiver. http://www.peterpig.co.uk/german.htm scroll down to the wheeled vehicles section. A pack of individual bikes and a pack of side cars will be sufficent, you will also need 2 infantry stands and a command stand to use when they dismount.

Thats the list.

Scouts advance, find hidy holes for opponent AT guns.
Tigers advance and can focus on sniping stuff with that long range.
Rockets soften up infantry or smoke stuff.
panzergrenadiers grab objective stuff.

A very many thanks for your help guys, I will order the Rocket Battery and Motorcycles soon (once I sold my Tomb Kings) in the meantime I will get to work on the bases of the rest of the stuff that I have assmbled, and start priming the force ready for painting.


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Sorry, me again.

With the infantry bases for the dismounted BMW Platoon (I want to keep to BF products - I tend to stick with one manufacturer) what can I use for them?

Any MG infantry. 2 standard MG teams and a command team. It would be significantly cheaper buying from PP, the nearest thing that BF produce is the Kradschutzen platoon but that is £26 and you will have a lot of spare models.

Ok I have been tinkering around a bit lately as people seem to have stepped up the game sizes (typically since I was just about to purchase stuff for the 1500 points list) anyways this is what I am thinking for 1850 point battles

Schwere Panzer Company HQ 1x CIC Tiger I - CV 225

COMBAT
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Platoon 1x Command Tiger IE, 1x Tiger I E CV - 430
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Platoon 1x Command Tiger IE, 1x Tiger I E CV - 430

WEAPONS
Panzer Pioneer Platoon 1x Command Pioneer MG, 1x Schwimmwagen, 2x Pioneer MG, 2x Sd Kfz 251/7 - CV 130

Panzer Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon 1x Command Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 1x Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track - CV 100

SUPPORT
Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon 1x Command Panzerknacker SMG, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1 or 251/10, 6x MG, 3x Sd Kfz 251/1 - CV 225

Motorised Artillery Battery 1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 2x Observer Rifle, 2x Kubelwagen, 4x 10.5cm leFH18 - CV 210

Air Support - Ju87 Stuka (Sporadic, 3 Dice) - 100
**** not sure to go D or G with the Stuka

So 1850 Points and 6 Platoons