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2012/06/14 10:35:41
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
A new fiend stalks the toxic underhive, an invisible killer with a penchant for taking the skins and heads of its victims. Mutants and gangers find themselves helpless against a creature they can't even see.
Of course, the local arbites couldn't care less about the suffering of underhive scum. The killer should be offered a uniform, some of them joke. After all, the only good ganger is a dead ganger. The slaughter, however, does pose a few problems. Underhive elements have begun to migrate upward into hive proper . Heretically, the subhuman scum fear the killer more than they fear the Emperor's arbites. This does not sit well with the marshal in charge, who also recognize the killer as a potential nuisance if it were to wander into their jurisdiction.
Mindful of his duty to the Emperor, the marshal decides that it would be prudent to investigate. Only one member of the patrol returns. The young man returns with no useful intelligence and only blabbers on about "those eyes, they...they disappeared". He is promptly executed for incompetence. A week later, three arbitrator squads have disappeared while on routine patrol in the levels immediately above the Underhive.
As if by divine providence, an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, an old friend of the marshal, happens to be conducting unrelated business in the area. The marshal requests assistance and the Inquisitor obliges.
Teams:
1) Two elite Yautja (think of the predator in AvP Requiem, except they're physically superior in the same way BL novel marines are superior to "Ultramarines the movie" marines)
- the preds have plasma blades instead of the standard metallic blades
2) Inquisitor and his retinue
- the Inquisitor is not a psyker
- the Inquisitor is equipped with Inquisitorial power armour, power sword, and hellpistol
- the retinue (no psykers) consists of 1 ex-Kasrkin, 1 Ogryn, 1 "average" death cult assassin, 2 ex-Catachans, 2 Sisters of Battle, 10 members of the Frateris Militia
The Ogryn and the Kasrkin are going to be killed by plasma cannon almost immediately. The Frateris Militia will be lucky to be armed with clubs, so will be slaughtered in melee, if the Yautja even bother with them.
The Sisters are going to put up a hell of a fight, so I am going to assume that, in combination of tactics and firepower, they kill one of the Yautja and wound the other, at the cost of both their lives.
I'm not sure what an ex-Catachan is, I'm assuming a soldier from a Catachan regiment now mercing about with the Inquisition. In the underhive, denied access to the mud and foliage that Schwarzenegger had in Predator, these guys are toast. The underhive is a jungle only in a metaphorical sense.
That leaves us with an injured Yautja, a Death-Cult Assassin and an Inquisitor, who I believe we should assume is reasonably competent with his pistol and his blade. Now, one thing you can say about the Inquisition is that there is no such thing as an "average" Inquisitor. They all have their own strengths and weaknesses. We will assume, though, that this guy is relatively fit, relatively skilled in combat, and relatively comfortable in his power armor. His areas of expertise lie in something that has no bearing on this battle.
If this guy is smart, he will have noticed that the Yautja practice a form of hunting that puts them on par with their prey. They shot those who shot at them, and killed in melee those armed with handweapons. He should also note that they make use of stealth, traps, snares, and fight in three dimensions, being able to leap and climb and all that sort of thing.
If he's smart, then, he sends the DCA to engage it in melee, and then kills the Yautja with the hellpistol at the moment it's pulling the DCA's spine out of her back.
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2012/06/15 06:00:57
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Psienesis wrote:Distinct advantage to the Preds in this scenario. The Ogryn and the Kasrkin are going to be killed by plasma cannon almost immediately.
No hope of tanking even one shot?
The Frateris Militia will be lucky to be armed with clubs, so will be slaughtered in melee, if the Yautja even bother with them.
LOL clubs. I thought they had autoguns...at least metal blades If they're armed with clubs, they're mild distractions at best
The Sisters are going to put up a hell of a fight, so I am going to assume that, in combination of tactics and firepower, they kill one of the Yautja and wound the other, at the cost of both their lives.
Do you think the Yautja might try to snipe the Sisters first? Only the Inquisitor and Sisters are sporting power armour
I'm not sure what an ex-Catachan is, I'm assuming a soldier from a Catachan regiment now mercing about with the Inquisition.
Yeah, same as the ex-Kasrkin. They're no longer serving Cadia (in the case of the Kasrkin) or the IG (in the case of the Catachan). They are now Inquisition property hehe
In the underhive, denied access to the mud and foliage that Schwarzenegger had in Predator, these guys are toast. The underhive is a jungle only in a metaphorical sense.
In my mind the battle takes place above the underhive after the predators sneak upward (but yeah, that would be even less like an actual jungle)
That leaves us with an injured Yautja, a Death-Cult Assassin
By "average" death cult assassin, I mean a person who has reached the peak of human skill with blades coupled with combat drugs and maybe light augmentation. According to my knowledge, some of the best, most heavily augmented death cult assassins are almost as good as Imperial assassins. The one I have in mind is slightly to moderately above peak human.
If this guy is smart, he will have noticed that the Yautja practice a form of hunting that puts them on par with their prey. They shot those who shot at them, and killed in melee those armed with handweapons. He should also note that they make use of stealth, traps, snares, and fight in three dimensions, being able to leap and climb and all that sort of thing.
Hopefully for him he'll notice these things in quite a short time
If he's smart, then, he sends the DCA to engage it in melee, and then kills the Yautja with the hellpistol at the moment it's pulling the DCA's spine out of her back
I have to say, that would be really dumb of the predator, spine-pulling when another opponent is still active
Perhaps a more plausible scenario: while the predator is being distracted by the prancing assassin, the Inquisitor attempts to stab or shoot the predator in the back
DeffDred wrote:Meanwhile the Inquisitor sends out a distress beacon.
Deathwatch shows up.
Dead Yautja.
The Inquisitor is Ordo Hereticus (as mentioned in the original post)
What's the likelihood of a Deathwatch response? I assume Ordo Xenos inquisitorial calls have much higher priority
In Predetors a Skilled Yakuza kills one in CQC so i wouldnt say a pred is that skilled in CQC its undoutably stronger, but still only WS3, a DC assassin would rip it a new one, but thats combat.
Its plasma caster however i would say isnt as good as the imperial ones as a enviro suit manages to stop one (pred 2), i would say its as powerfull as imp ones but the ap wouldnt be 2, maybe 4 or 5, the preds armour isnt that great either (since they wear almost none) where it is wearing it, it would stop modern day weapons, but absolutely not a bolt round, which most inquisitors rock (least mine do lol)
The one and only advantage a pred has is stealth, since if found its outgunned and if it iniates combat (with the inq or DC or ogryn) it would be outclassed there too
2012/06/15 13:03:12
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Formosa wrote:In Predetors a Skilled Yakuza kills one in CQC so i wouldnt say a pred is that skilled in CQC its undoutably stronger, but still only WS3, a DC assassin would rip it a new one, but thats combat.
You know that skill varies among different individuals. This is true of predators, humans, Astartes etc.
When I specified "elite Yautja", I had in mind the really skilled predators in the novels, comics, games etc.
For instance, these predators are monsters in close combat:
Spoiler:
Dachande heard the Hard Meat and spun around. He sprinted past the two ooman strangers toward the threat, staff forward. He was dimly aware that the small warrior was right behind. It shouted something at the other two. They came in a single-file stream, flowed from around a structure, ten, maybe twelve. Dachande leapt to greet them. Two arrived first, angled in from the sides. Dachande spun, swung completely around, cut them both through their midsections in one strike. He didn’t watch them hit the ground; there was no need—they were dead and all he need do was avoid the throes. He extended his ki’cti-pa and slashed through the throat of the next drone nearest, to his right. The drone’s death cry was garbled through its own thwei. A split second later, he jabbed the staff point through the jaws of another, twisted the sharp blade and dug a hole through the top of the skull. The weapon’s metal was proof against the Hard Meat’s thwei, but there was no time to hesitate and enjoy the kill—when you fought the ten thousand, you did so one at a time, but you also had to do so quickly—He thrust the spear’s butt back, hard, and knocked one behind him down, then turned and slashed its gut. Digest this, foolish creature! The ki’cti-pa blurred again, jammed backhand into yet another Hard Meat chest. The drone howled, fell, did not die but did not rise again. Acid pumped into the dark air, pooled, smoking. Dachande jumped forward, stabbed the throat of yet another, and then spun to meet the next. Death fell all around his feet as he and the Hard Meat danced.
Noguchi hurled herself after the warrior. Several of the bugs streamed from behind the shed and toward Broken Tusk. He stepped in to battle without hesitation. Too many of them, ten, twelve. She aimed at one of the bugs—and it was dead before she fired. She took aim again—and again, her target had fallen already. She took a step back, transfixed by the swift movements of the giant warrior. Here was no inexperienced novice; every step was measured, every strike timed and sure. Within the space of a few seconds, most of the bugs were down, dead or dying. She had enough training to recognize a Master when she saw one. This one’s skill had been gained in battle, against deadly enemies. Broken Tusk whirled and jabbed, crouched and slashed with precision and confidence. Never a misstep, never a hesitation. He was no dojo tiger, covered in padding and fighting for points. Wherever he had come from, they had a martial arts more complex and dangerous than any she’d ever seen. It was like a choreographed dance.
Well, it all depends, doesn't it? Danny Glover (hardly a powerful combatant) takes out one in Predator 2. Plot armour is a powerful thing.
"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?"
2012/06/15 13:49:04
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Aliens are not skilled combatants either to be fair, they are fast and not much else (pretty stong maybe, depending on the source) again they use suprise to kill there oponents and numbers of course lol.
But still an Inq is an extremely skilled oponent and a pred would b hard pressed to kill him.
A DC assassin is well out, its faster, just as strong (possibly) and has weapons just as deadly.
An Ogryn is slower, stronger and tougher than a pred and from the movies and books can take alot more punishment.
But we all know who would win... the lone Catachan
2012/06/15 13:52:56
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Formosa wrote:Aliens are not skilled combatants either to be fair, they are fast and not much else (pretty stong maybe, depending on the source) again they use suprise to kill there oponents and numbers of course lol.
To be fair, strength and speed are pretty much the only real components of 'skill'. There's a bit more to it than that, but it pretty much boils down to 'hit them where it hurts'. A bear or lion has no combat 'skill' either, but I wouldn't want to wrestle either of them.
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?"
2012/06/15 20:20:25
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Heh, yeah, but a Kasrkin is a known unit-type. Catachan is a planet, and not everyone from Catachan becomes a soldier. An ex-Catachan could, technically, be a traveling grox-herder.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2012/06/16 00:06:33
Subject: Re:Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
The average Predatoror, or Yautja if you prefer stands about 6 to 7 feet tall, with the females of the species actually being even larger with an average 7 to 8 feet. And both sexes weigh in at about 250 to 350lbs depending on the person. They have strong dense bones about twice as strong as a humans. Reptillian like skin that has a greater damage resistance. And they are capable of sustaining a greater degree of injury before being incapacitated or killed. Though their healing and recovery speed is about the same as a human being. Their harsh upbringing also gives them a much higher pain threshold. The average Yautja ( depending on age and size ) is 2 to 4 times as strong as a human. Also, the older the Yautja is, the less likely it is to use firearms. Any Yautja can shoot something to death. It takes a real warrior to kill its prey with knives and bare hands.
Now then, to the battle.
Like any good hunter they will first stalk the inquisitors warband unseen. Observing their skill. their tactics and also the chain of command. Luring your prey effectively requires a bit of psychological warfare after all.
In this case the frateris militia would just be fodder. The yautja are likely to leave them alone unless they fire upon them or get in the way of their kill.
The Ogryn for obvious reasons would make an attractive target. Big. Strong. But they are also a bit dimwitted. And Yautja like prey with the capacity to fight back. Not just physically. But adapt and give them a challenge. So they leave him alone for the moment.
With their great survival instinct, honed on their deathworld home, it is likely that the two Catachans will be the first to sense the Yautjas presence. This will make them the primary target. The Yautja will likely take them out at long range. Either with their plasma caster or with their spearguns. The latter being the more likely as the plasma caster will give away their position. Especially in the close dark and dank underhive.
The sudden attack and death of the catachans will likely send the group scattering. with the militia running every wich way to seek cover/safety. Friendly fire accidents are likely to happen. killing at least 1 to 3 militia. another 2 plummet to their death as they blindly run into a dark tunnel that ends in a deep sewage pit. 5 down 5 to go. most likely 2 of them will run into either one of the yautja, by accident more then anything. spooked, they open fire. the Yautja kills them in defence. the final 2 flee into the hive never to be seen again. ( likely killed by gangers, starvation or toxic chemicals. )
So now we have the inquisitor. his kasrkin. the ogryn. the Assassin. and the 2 sisters left.
At this point the inquisitor is hell bent on finding these killers, to avenge his henchemen and on principle alone. So he leads the group deeper into the underhive.
Because they have the best armor, the sisters take point. ( now assuming these are standard sisters they carry bolters ) The ogryn follows. followed by the inquisitor. the kasrkin and assassin bring up the rear.
Now at some point one of the preds will try to take out one of the sisters with his speargun. But his shot is deflected by their power armor. In response the sisters hose the area with bolter fire. possibly injuring one of the Yautja before one of them is killed by a plasma caster shot.
The surviving members pursuit the injured alien. But as they do so the assassin breaks off from the group. Having spotted the second Yautja. who revealed himself on purpose in order to split the group up. a common hunting tactic. The assassin chases the predator deep into the underhive untill they have a face to face confrontation. The battle is hard fought. with the assassin managing to injure the yautja several times. But the aliens greater endurance and strength wins out and he kills the assassin with his wrist blades.
Meanwhile the group lost track of the Yautja they were chasing. Tired and now two more members short the inquisitor orders them to find a defensable location to set up camp.
( so now its down to the inquisitor. the kasrkin. the ogryn and a sister. )
The group rests as best they can. meanwhile the predators tend to their injuries.
After maybe an hours rest the Inquisitor orders the group to head back to the surface level of the hive so they can bring reinforcements.
As they travel back up the Yautja ambush them. The kasrkin gets netted. The inquisitor rushes to help his man while the sister and the ogryn lay down fire. The sister is then killed by another plasma caster. The predators not taking any chances in this case. Enraged by the death of his friends the ogryn charges into the darkness intend on bludgeoning their enemies.
Wishing to test his mettle, one of the yautja reveals himself to the Ogryn. They battle eachother hand to hand. Untill the Ogryn manages to bearhug the yautja. Breaking its Ribs and spine with its formidable strength. The dieing Yautja uses his self destruct device. Blowing himself and the ogryn to atoms. and destroying a large section of the sector they are in, wich causes further damage to the hive itself ( but thats not important now )
The inquisitor and his Kasrkin ( who has been freed from the web with the inquisitors power sword ) attempt to find another way out, since the explosion cut of their escape route. After much searching they find a way out. But the Alien is right on their heels. Ever the loyal servant the kasrkin tries to buy the inquisitor time. making a heroic last stand against the alien. But he is cut down.
The inquisitor, rather then fleeing decides to set up an ambush of his own. and actually manages to surprise attack the Yautja. Taking out the aliens Plasma caster with his powersword. He then fires his hellpistol at the alien. Injuring it badly. The Yautja uses a wrist dart to retaliate. hittign the pistol and causing it to explode. Burning the inquisitor. Luckily his power armor took most of the damage. The Yautja issues his honour challenge by removing its mask. The inquisitor curses the filthy Xeno and charges in. powersword leading the way. A furious fight erupts as plasma blade meets power sword. But finally the inquisitor wins out ( thanks in no small part to his power armour ) and bisects the Yautja.
The dieing alien then triggers its self destruct device. The inquisitor narrowly manages to escape the blastzone. but not unscathed.
A burned and bleeding inquisitor returns to the marshal. His duty to the emperor done. Tough the price was steep.
Ork WAAAGH Zapzog: roughly 4000 points and ever growing. Tau Cadre of Zuran'Ki: 3000 points. Grey Knights Interdiction Force Galeon : 2500 points. Tyranid Hive Fleet Crateria: 2500 Points. The Host of Hadrekon: 1500 points. Catachan 44th Swamp hunters. 800 points.
2000 points Skaven Army. Arcsqueeks Horde 1000 points Vampire Counts Army. Duke Valmai's Court. 1000 Points Dwarven Army. Bhor Grimhammers Throng. Planning to get some Ogres later this year.
Curse you Snake-eyes!
Aprion wrote:The average Predatoror, or Yautja if you prefer stands about 6 to 7 feet tall
No, the average male is 7 to 8 feet tall. The main predators in Predator, Predator 2, and AvP R are likely in the 7'4" to 7'6" range. The two suit actors were 7'2" (Predator, Predator 2) and 7'1" (AvP R). The predator suit adds several inches to the wearer’s height.
Yautja in the Aliens vs. Predator novels are on average 2.5m (8ft 2in) tall. That's probably around the height of an armoured Space Marine, maybe taller. Here are quotes to prove I’m not BSing:
Spoiler:
The humanoids were tall; he couldn't be sure because of nothing to show relative size, and the scaler in his scope was malfunctioning, but he would guess two and a half meters, maybe a little more. More amazing, they appeared to be carrying . . . spears.
. . .
Noguchi saw what she meant about the maleness. She couldn't miss it. The thing was a giant, maybe two and a half meters tall. Humanoid, but its head like some sort of mutated crab. It wore armor, and was bound to the exam table by several thick straps of rhynth hide-its long, taloned arms were speckled, reptilian, but not scaled. Noguchi saw the slight rise and fall of its chest. There was a mask over its face. What was it breathing? she wondered.
- Prey
...four students, the Leader, and two adjutants. The students and Nat'kapu carried only spears; the adjutants carried burners. They were giants, these warriors. Their average height was two and a half meters, and even the shortest, at a mere two meters, had broad shoulders and biceps that strained against their leather jerkins.
- Hunter's Planet
...- most yautja stood two and a half meters, some taller -...
- War
with the females of the species actually being even larger with an average 7 to 8 feet.
Again no, the females are only mentioned in the novels. Males in the novels are on average 2.5m (8ft 2in) tall. Females are likely around 9 feet tall.
And both sexes weigh in at about 250 to 350lbs depending on the person.
I'm only familiar with one instance in which a predator's weight is mentioned. The rough figure is "over 400lbs"
They have strong dense bones about twice as strong as a humans. Though their healing and recovery speed is about the same as a human being. The average Yautja ( depending on age and size ) is 2 to 4 times as strong as a human.
Eh…are you making all of this up? I'm pretty familiar with Predator/Aliens vs. Predator media and these figures aren't mentioned in anything I've seen. Wikia is not a credible source. Of course, if you could cite a licensed source (a Dark Horse novel or something)....
Like any good hunter they will first stalk the inquisitors warband unseen. Observing their skill. their tactics and also the chain of command. Luring your prey effectively requires a bit of psychological warfare after all.
Sounds about right
With their great survival instinct, honed on their deathworld home, it is likely that the two Catachans will be the first to sense the Yautjas presence.
Neat idea...the Catachans play the role of Billy in the original movie
another 2 plummet to their death as they blindly run into a dark tunnel that ends in a deep sewage pit. 5 down 5 to go.
You are cruel LOL
Because they have the best armor, the sisters take point. ( now assuming these are standard sisters they carry bolters)
Yes they are
Now at some point one of the preds will try to take out one of the sisters with his speargun. But his shot is deflected by their power armor.
Why isn't the predator's first shot with the shoulder cannon (he knows the Sisters are wearing armour possibly able to stop the spear gun)
The assassin chases the predator deep into the underhive untill they have a face to face confrontation
Very climactic, nice
Untill the Ogryn manages to bearhug the yautja. Breaking its Ribs and spine with its formidable strength
Not sure if an Ogryn is necessarily stronger or even much bigger than a Yautja. Outside the movies, predators are shown to be insanely strong in at least some of the sources. If this is a “Yautja” (a predator of the AvP novels), the Ogryn might not be much bigger than the Yautja (2.5m tall and well-muscled). IMO a Sister would be likelier than an Ogryn to kill a Yautja. A skilled Yautja would be too much for an Ogryn. The Yautja would benefit from superior agility, speed, and technique. I think a Sister’s chances of shooting up a Yautja are greater than an Ogryn’s chances of beating a Yautja in CC.
Kaldor wrote:Well, it all depends, doesn't it? Danny Glover (hardly a powerful combatant) takes out one in Predator 2. Plot armour is a powerful thing.
Well yeah but a predator can hardly be considered "elite" if he loses to Danny Glover's character
Let's give these two predators the benefit of the doubt shall we. I'm sure that if a predator is skilled enough to slaughter a dozen or so xenomorphs in melee (employing highly complex and dangerous form of martial art), he'd be skilled enough to pose a threat to the Inquisitor and his retinue in CC (and to beat Danny Glover )
Psienesis wrote:Heh, yeah, but a Kasrkin is a known unit-type. Catachan is a planet, and not everyone from Catachan becomes a soldier. An ex-Catachan could, technically, be a traveling grox-herder.
Oh come on now, you know that's not what I mean LOL An ex-Catachan fighter...better?
Formosa wrote:Aliens are not skilled combatants either to be fair, they are fast and not much else (pretty stong maybe, depending on the source)
They’re physically very strong in almost every source. I can’t think of any exceptions…
A DC assassin is well out, its faster, just as strong (possibly) and has weapons just as deadly. An Ogryn is slower, stronger and tougher than a pred and from the movies and books can take alot more punishment.
Outside the movies, Yautja are physically very impressive. They’re able to evade bullets quite easily. You can check out this page if you don’t believe me.
About the height thing, I'm giving an average based on various different sources. ( books movies games even a pen and paper RPG ) theres differences in height in each instance so im going with an average thats somewere in the middle.
Ork WAAAGH Zapzog: roughly 4000 points and ever growing. Tau Cadre of Zuran'Ki: 3000 points. Grey Knights Interdiction Force Galeon : 2500 points. Tyranid Hive Fleet Crateria: 2500 Points. The Host of Hadrekon: 1500 points. Catachan 44th Swamp hunters. 800 points.
2000 points Skaven Army. Arcsqueeks Horde 1000 points Vampire Counts Army. Duke Valmai's Court. 1000 Points Dwarven Army. Bhor Grimhammers Throng. Planning to get some Ogres later this year.
Curse you Snake-eyes!
Aprion wrote:About the height thing, I'm giving an average based on various different sources. ( books movies games even a pen and paper RPG ) theres differences in height in each instance so im going with an average thats somewere in the middle.
Except your average doesn't have anything to support it, and it's not "in the middle". It's ridiculously low.
Which source has a 6'0" predator? The movies generally have predators over 7 feet tall. The shortest actors to play predators are around 6'6". In pred suits, they'd be close to 7'0"
The novels state an average height of 2.5m (8'2"). In the novels, the shortest predators are described as 2.0m (6'7") tall. The games have predators around the same size as movie predators. Some comics have novel-size predators, some have movie-size predators. I don't know where you're getting "6 to 7 feet tall" because most predators are at least 7 feet tall
as noted before the plasma caster is not that good a weapon in 40k terms, and eviro suit stopped it (pred 2) and while the comics and books are (somewhat) good, arent the movies the only real canon in either universe?
2012/06/16 14:11:03
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Just a note, Ogryn average 2.5-3 meters tall, so the predator could very well be dealing with a 9 foot tall human with a massive automatic shotgun strong enough to drag an almost 40 ton vehicle across a battlefield. If the Ogryn lays a hand on him the predator is dead.
2012/06/16 16:23:14
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Buttons wrote:Just a note, Ogryn average 2.5-3 meters tall, so the predator could very well be dealing with a 9 foot tall human with a massive automatic shotgun strong enough to drag an almost 40 ton vehicle across a battlefield. If the Ogryn lays a hand on him the predator is dead.
Dont forget that the pred in the movies isnt that much faster than a human, infact noticebly slower (i put this down to the costume though lol), but i would say there speeds are comparable, and if thats the case a charging ogryn would actually have the edge on speed too
The pred movies stats would be this i think
WS 4
BS 4
Str 4
T 3
W 2
A 3
SV 5+
2012/06/16 16:28:16
Subject: Inquisitor & Retinue vs. Yautja Predators
Good lord. The Predators were a billion times cooler when they were still mysterious, and before some middling science fiction writers decided to ruin them by trying to explain all of their motivations and origins.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Good lord. The Predators were a billion times cooler when they were still mysterious, and before some middling science fiction writers decided to ruin them by trying to explain all of their motivations and origins
Well, I hope you don't feel the same way about the primarchs and the HH
Formosa wrote:as noted before the plasma caster is not that good a weapon in 40k terms, and eviro suit stopped it (pred 2)
Never happened, shoulder cannon blasted right through
and while the comics and books are (somewhat) good, arent the movies the only real canon in either universe?
EU (licensed novels/comics/games) is EU. Movies are movies.
"Yautja" is an EU-only term, therefore EU is obviously allowed to be cited in this thread.
Buttons wrote:Just a note, Ogryn average 2.5-3 meters tall, so the predator could very well be dealing with a 9 foot tall human with a massive automatic shotgun strong enough to drag an almost 40 ton vehicle across a battlefield. If the Ogryn lays a hand on him the predator is dead.
Yautja are on average 2.5m tall, some are taller
...four students, the Leader, and two adjutants. The students and Nat'kapu carried only spears; the adjutants carried burners. They were giants, these warriors. Their average height was two and a half meters, and even the shortest, at a mere two meters, had broad shoulders and biceps that strained against their leather jerkins.
- Hunter's Planet
...- most yautja stood two and a half meters, some taller -...
- War
Where are you getting the 40 ton figure? The predator in Predator Concrete Jungle seems to lift a comparable weight
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Good lord. The Predators were a billion times cooler when they were still mysterious, and before some middling science fiction writers decided to ruin them by trying to explain all of their motivations and origins
Well, I hope you don't feel the same way about the primarchs and the HH
Wow, talk about comparing apples to axles from a 2007 Ford Focus.
We always knew who the Primarchs were, and could guess their motivations because they were still essentially human. The Predators were never explained. All we knew about them came from the human interpretations of the characters who encountered them. They showed up places, killed things, took trophies, and then left (or, more often, were killed by the protagonists).
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Good lord. The Predators were a billion times cooler when they were still mysterious, and before some middling science fiction writers decided to ruin them by trying to explain all of their motivations and origins
Well, I hope you don't feel the same way about the primarchs and the HH
Wow, talk about comparing apples to axles from a 2007 Ford Focus.
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Good lord. The Predators were a billion times cooler when they were still mysterious, and before some middling science fiction writers decided to ruin them by trying to explain all of their motivations and origins
Well, I hope you don't feel the same way about the primarchs and the HH
Formosa wrote:as noted before the plasma caster is not that good a weapon in 40k terms, and eviro suit stopped it (pred 2)
Never happened, shoulder cannon blasted right through
and while the comics and books are (somewhat) good, arent the movies the only real canon in either universe?
EU (licensed novels/comics/games) is EU. Movies are movies.
"Yautja" is an EU-only term, therefore EU is obviously allowed to be cited in this thread.
Buttons wrote:Just a note, Ogryn average 2.5-3 meters tall, so the predator could very well be dealing with a 9 foot tall human with a massive automatic shotgun strong enough to drag an almost 40 ton vehicle across a battlefield. If the Ogryn lays a hand on him the predator is dead.
Yautja are on average 2.5m tall, some are taller
...four students, the Leader, and two adjutants. The students and Nat'kapu carried only spears; the adjutants carried burners. They were giants, these warriors. Their average height was two and a half meters, and even the shortest, at a mere two meters, had broad shoulders and biceps that strained against their leather jerkins.
- Hunter's Planet
...- most yautja stood two and a half meters, some taller -...
- War
Where are you getting the 40 ton figure? The predator in Predator Concrete Jungle seems to lift a comparable weight
yes it did happen and here it is, its at about 4:48
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Good lord. The Predators were a billion times cooler when they were still mysterious, and before some middling science fiction writers decided to ruin them by trying to explain all of their motivations and origins
Well, I hope you don't feel the same way about the primarchs and the HH
Wow, talk about comparing apples to axles from a 2007 Ford Focus.
Not really but whatever
Yes, really.
Unless you have an answer for the part of my response you clipped out.
It's cool though if you like the Predator license fiction. I think it sucks. But your analogy was still entirely irrelevant.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Formosa wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN3LKVerew
Going "never happened" is a bit silly if you havent actually checked what im saying, but i will crop it up to "bad memory" more than rudeness
Hey mate, not trying to be rude but this is your claim:
Formosa wrote:a enviro suit manages to stop one (pred 2)
I've watched that scene. We never see the "enviro suit stop" the plasma bolt. We never even see the plasma bolt hit the guy. Am I really the one being dishonest?
Perhaps the plasma bolt narrowly misses (the predator is shooting with his back turned) and the splash damage/explosion burns the guy's face. That seems far more likely. I don't know why you're assuming a thin layer of fabric can stop a plasma bolt. You should probably also keep in mind that not all shoulder cannons are equal, just as not all guns are equal.
Shoulder cannons generally vaporize the parts of a human bodies struck and one-hit kill xenomorphs. The strongest showing I've seen has a shoulder cannon one-hit exploding a human space ship.
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Yes, really.
Unless you have an answer for the part of my response you clipped out. It's cool though if you like the Predator license fiction. I think it sucks. But your analogy was still entirely irrelevant.
More mystery before, less mystery after
I respect your opinion, but this is a tangential issue I don't really want to spend much time debating
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