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Voidraven bomber moves 12" and drops a Void mine over an enemy vehicle.

Pertinent Rules Text:

During the Voidraven Bomber's Movement phase, it may place a small blast marker centered upon any one model it has passed over that turn and roll a scatter dice. If an arrow is rolled move the marker d6" in that direction. Once the final position of the marker has been determined, resolve the effects above. Note that this counts as using a weapon.

DE FAQ:

Q: A void mine is used in the Movement phase. How
does this effect what weapons can be fired by the
Voidraven Bomber in the Shooting phase? (p47)
A: The void mine does not count towards the number
of weapons a Voidraven Bomber can fire that turn.

Q: Can a void mine be used regardless of the speed
the Voidraven Bomber is moving at in its Movement
phase? (p47)
A: Yes.

A few questions:
1.) If I destroy the enemy vehicle with the void mine in the movement phase, am I unable to fire at a different target with the voidraven's weapons in the shooting phase?
2.) If I destroy the enemy vehicle with the void mine in the movement phase, can I fire at the unit that was inside said vehicle in the shooting phase with the rest of the voidraven's weapons?

I would say that, RAW, as the codex says it counts as using a weapon and the FAQ *only* specifies that it does not count towards the number of weapons fired in a turn, that the remaining shooting must be directed at the same unit

That's kinda what I thought. I guess I'll stick to dropping the Void Mine on flat out bombing runs then.

Well If it says it doesnt count towards the number of weapons fired, Then wouldnt that mean you could target a different target?

AA lets you shoot all your weapons anyways.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Well If it says it doesnt count towards the number of weapons fired, Then wouldnt that mean you could target a different target?

But it's still firing a weapon. It just doesn't count towards the number of weapons it can fire that turn.

Loch wrote:That's kinda what I thought. I guess I'll stick to dropping the Void Mine on flat out bombing runs then.

This couldn't be done if the Void Mine counts as using a weapon. You can not fire any weapons while moving flat out, unless the Voidraven has some other special rule that allows it to.

ToBeWilly wrote:

Loch wrote:That's kinda what I thought. I guess I'll stick to dropping the Void Mine on flat out bombing runs then.

This couldn't be done if the Void Mine counts as using a weapon. You can not fire any weapons while moving flat out, unless the Voidraven has some other special rule that allows it to.

Q: Can a void mine be used regardless of the speed
the Voidraven Bomber is moving at in its Movement
phase? (p47)
A: Yes.

I don't think you are actually shooting in using the attack, and the FAQ answers seem to support that it's not truly shooting, particularly the one that allows it to be done during a flat out move.

It's simply resolving a special ability which happens to involve a blast marker and does damage using a weapon profile, but it's not shooting any more than a Mawloc's emerge is shooting.

The fact that it "counts as using a weapon" is merely to inform that it can't be done if you are ineligible to use a weapon (i.e: shaken)

Drunkspleen wrote:I don't think you are actually shooting in using the attack, and the FAQ answers seem to support that it's not truly shooting, particularly the one that allows it to be done during a flat out move.

It's simply resolving a special ability which happens to involve a blast marker and does damage using a weapon profile, but it's not shooting any more than a Mawloc's emerge is shooting.

The fact that it "counts as using a weapon" is merely to inform that it can't be done if you are ineligible to use a weapon (i.e: shaken)

Thats what I was thinking also.

Bloodhorror wrote:Q: Can a void mine be used regardless of the speed
the Voidraven Bomber is moving at in its Movement
phase? (p47)
A: Yes.

I seemed to have missed this from the original post.

Keep moving, nothing to see here.

The rulebook wording indicates that shooting is done in the shooting phase (the things that go out of sequence specifically say they are out of sequence). The choosing a target rules apply to when you are shooting. The bomb doesn't seem to be shooting. Also using a weapon is not the same as shooting anyways. There was more reasons, but I forgot.

Point is, many indicators that you aren't limited to what you bombed.

To use a weapon is to fire a weapon.
Firing has a specific definition in 40k - that is it follows the shooting rules.

To use a weapon to shoot normally means shooting, but using a weapon in cc does not. This doesn't specifically say it counts as shooting a weapon, nor is it in the shooting phase.