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Has anyone ever tried taking multiple Stalkers?
Everyone always says they die immediately so they never get a chance to use them... but I wonder what would happen with a little redundancy taken into consideration?

 skoffs wrote:
Has anyone ever tried taking multiple Stalkers?
Everyone always says they die immediately so they never get a chance to use them... but I wonder what would happen with a little redundancy taken into consideration?

It's a lot of points. Their ability wants you to use them with infantry. But the fact that they're a Walker with AC, means that you want to have other vehicles on the board to give your opponent's anti-vehicle units something else to shoot at. There aren't enough points to have both lots of Infantry and Vehicles, so they end up being squashed by whatever units your opponent has to handle vehicles. Having two in a single unit will just mean that those anti-vehicle units will make up their points better.

 skoffs wrote:
Has anyone ever tried taking multiple Stalkers?
Everyone always says they die immediately so they never get a chance to use them... but I wonder what would happen with a little redundancy taken into consideration?

I take multiple stalkers. Its depends what kind of list I wanna run. I also find them fantastic in low point games or escalation games since av 13 at 500 pts that buffs all my guys BS is a giant pain to deal with.

One way I use them is give them the HGC and sit one or two of them with a couple units of heavy destroyers. Another thing I do is what I call the sliding door, A full unit of warriors with a ghost ark behind them turned side ways and a stalker behind that. Movement phase move everything forward but move the ghost ark to the side to give the stalker los shooting then during the shooting phase move the ghost ark flat out back in front of the stalker to give it a cover save. same can be done with the monolith but the warrior units will have to be on the sides of the monolith instead of the front for the +1bs range on the stalker.

Anrakyr-the-Traveller wrote:
Don't know of any battle reports but here is an interview with the guy who played the list: (note he talks more about the meta than the list itself) https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/04/05/40k-list-tech-crons-and-controversy/ He does mention that he wishes he had put a veil of Darkness in the wraithstar. Also check out Joe Comacho's list underneath that, he must be an absolutely fantastic general, because he plays with a really interesting out of the box list, and placed 7th.

Really wish I could find more info on how Comacho plays his list.
Like, what every units role in the army is.

Zimko wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

The main problem I had was against MSU objective secured spam. But it performed well enough, placing in the top 20ish of 250 if I remember right.

Dude, if (and when) I ever break the top 20ish at Nova I will have it tattooed somewhere prominently on my body for all to see

By the way I love this list. Like cowbell I think you always need more wraiths but that's just me. I finally had to admit to myself that 12 was enough. So if you are going to Nova next week you'll probably see your list floating around...better than what I came up with by far...

as an odd weekend game to test Night Scythes out after the FAQ, I tried out:

Destroyer Cult (DLord with 2+ armor, warscythe and phase shifter, 3x3 normal, 1x3 heavy) + Judicator Battalion (MSU+Night Scythes) and a Renegade Knight (double Gatling and Stormspear Rocket.) 1850 exactly.

Renegade actually did a lot it erased a couple of msu units in shooting turn one, then engaged the Deathstar for some stomp action. Next test game will have Gatling/Battle Cannon.

Judicator rerolls on Night Scythe wounds/pens were spot on plus the rerolls for the Praetorians

So basically Knight did all the heavy lifting and all the Necron units helped.
At this point, why is anyone even playing anything that doesn't have "knight" in its name at all!

 skoffs wrote:
So basically Knight did all the heavy lifting and all the Necron units helped.
At this point, why is anyone even playing anything that doesn't have "knight" in its name at all!

I brought CAD 18 Wraiths + Destroyer Cult to a tourney on Sunday, instead of my usual Knight list.

Got tabled twice. Missed my Knight the whole time. Welcome to 40k, the new Apocalypse.

When I run my 18 wraith CAD, I find that a tanking D lord with orikan is super helpful. Sure, he doesn't grant durability to the wraiths, but a re-rollable 2+ save, and a 4++ re-rerolling ones with 4+ RP plus Look Out Sir to 3++ wraiths means that that unit is getting wherever you want it to.

And yes, you basically slingshot orikan into combat. I especially like him because when he turns into a freaking C'tan, he is no slouch on his own and can easily detach if you wish to maul other units.

 luke1705 wrote:
When I run my 18 wraith CAD, I find that a tanking D lord with orikan is super helpful. Sure, he doesn't grant durability to the wraiths, but a re-rollable 2+ save, and a 4++ re-rerolling ones with 4+ RP plus Look Out Sir to 3++ wraiths means that that unit is getting wherever you want it to.

And yes, you basically slingshot orikan into combat. I especially like him because when he turns into a freaking C'tan, he is no slouch on his own and can easily detach if you wish to maul other units.

Orikan grants the wraiths a 3++ save that re-rolls ones.

Requizen wrote:
Missed my Knight the whole time. Welcome to 40k.

I'm guessing that's what the "k" stands for, now.
(and of course we'll never get our knight equivalent of anything...)

col_impact wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
When I run my 18 wraith CAD, I find that a tanking D lord with orikan is super helpful. Sure, he doesn't grant durability to the wraiths, but a re-rollable 2+ save, and a 4++ re-rerolling ones with 4+ RP plus Look Out Sir to 3++ wraiths means that that unit is getting wherever you want it to.

And yes, you basically slingshot orikan into combat. I especially like him because when he turns into a freaking C'tan, he is no slouch on his own and can easily detach if you wish to maul other units.

Orikan grants the wraiths a 3++ save that re-rolls ones.

Only harvest wraith, he said he was running a CAD.
"all models with reanimation protocols in this unit add +1 to their reanimation rolls,and can reroll failed saving throws of 1"

harkequin wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
When I run my 18 wraith CAD, I find that a tanking D lord with orikan is super helpful. Sure, he doesn't grant durability to the wraiths, but a re-rollable 2+ save, and a 4++ re-rerolling ones with 4+ RP plus Look Out Sir to 3++ wraiths means that that unit is getting wherever you want it to.

And yes, you basically slingshot orikan into combat. I especially like him because when he turns into a freaking C'tan, he is no slouch on his own and can easily detach if you wish to maul other units.

Orikan grants the wraiths a 3++ save that re-rolls ones.

Only harvest wraith, he said he was running a CAD.
"all models with reanimation protocols in this unit add +1 to their reanimation rolls,and can reroll failed saving throws of 1"

You can add a Harvest formation to a CAD.
A Harvest with 6x Wraiths is only 350 points. Three of them (18x Wraiths) for 1050.
Easily fit into an 1850 CAD with points left over to add other useful stuff (eg. Tomb Blades, Heavy Destroyers, etc.).
Hell, you can even add 9x Spyders to it, bump each Harvest Scarab Swarm up to 4x each and make a decent Scarab Farm/Wraith Wing list (18 Wraiths, 12 Spyders, turn one 24 Scarabs) for 1850 on the nose. At that point Orikan would be there just to make an unkillable warlord/late game surprise MC, but hey! Totally feasible army.
(Granted, he said his list also included a Destroyer Lord, so obviously this isn't what he ran, but the point was that it's completely within the realm of possibility that he ran multiple Harvests in a CAD with Orikan).

Does anyone ever put a Tachyon Arrow on their D Lord in a D Cult? If you had the spare points as we know they ain't cheap for a single use item.

Just thinking it could get you an easy first blood and give the D Lord something to do turn 1. Re-rolls to Pen could even potentially screw a Knight. On that subject which Renegade Knight load out suits Crons best in the current tourney meta?

You can't give the Destroyer Lord an Arrow in the new codex...

what are some good tactics in giving a necron destroyer lord a veil of darkness and resurrection orb in the decurion? saw a great list with it but was confused as to how it should be used. perhaps deep striking a unit of lychguard and helping to keep them alive for a turn before they charge?

Veil Of Darkness is better off on something else. You want either the Shroud or Reaper on him, as both max out its potential.

I have seen the Veil used to get a Wraithstar out of a combat it has been locked into for too long.

 skoffs wrote:
You can't give the Destroyer Lord an Arrow in the new codex...

I'd never even realised the poor D Lord doesn't get access to the ranged weapons section! Thanks for pointing that one out and it's a good job I've never tried using it before.

 necron99 wrote:

Zimko wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

The main problem I had was against MSU objective secured spam. But it performed well enough, placing in the top 20ish of 250 if I remember right.

Dude, if (and when) I ever break the top 20ish at Nova I will have it tattooed somewhere prominently on my body for all to see

By the way I love this list. Like cowbell I think you always need more wraiths but that's just me. I finally had to admit to myself that 12 was enough. So if you are going to Nova next week you'll probably see your list floating around...better than what I came up with by far...

Unfortunately I won't make it this year. I'm a little tired of 7th edition and their 'take whatever units you want' approach. The flexibility was nice for a while but now I'm wishing tournaments would just go back to the standard Force Org. Everytime I try to play a pickup game I try to have 'the conversation' where you determine what kind of list to run, but everyone's version of 'competitive' is different. So it's always a mismatch.

Zimko wrote:

 necron99 wrote:

Zimko wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

The main problem I had was against MSU objective secured spam. But it performed well enough, placing in the top 20ish of 250 if I remember right.

Dude, if (and when) I ever break the top 20ish at Nova I will have it tattooed somewhere prominently on my body for all to see

By the way I love this list. Like cowbell I think you always need more wraiths but that's just me. I finally had to admit to myself that 12 was enough. So if you are going to Nova next week you'll probably see your list floating around...better than what I came up with by far...

Unfortunately I won't make it this year. I'm a little tired of 7th edition and their 'take whatever units you want' approach. The flexibility was nice for a while but now I'm wishing tournaments would just go back to the standard Force Org. Everytime I try to play a pickup game I try to have 'the conversation' where you determine what kind of list to run, but everyone's version of 'competitive' is different. So it's always a mismatch.

Yeah. I've been playing AoS lately as a change of pace, and I brought my Necrons to a tourney a couple weekends back. It just felt... I dunno. Like, I'm a bit burnt out of the hyper competitive stuff, but even the casual lists are starting to look stupid with LoWs being super common (our local Tau player considers the Stormsurge "friendly" because he doesn't min/max it) and formations just getting out of hand.

Kind of waiting for 8th edition to see what happens.

Here's hoping they implement some sort of universal anti-spam mechanic? (eg. No more than three of any one unit type, no more than three (two?) superheavies, etc.)
Us and a bunch of the other under appreciated codex should be safe, but certain builds from other armies would be forced to change.

 skoffs wrote:
Here's hoping they implement some sort of universal anti-spam mechanic? (eg. No more than three of any one unit type, no more than three (two?) superheavies, etc.)
Us and a bunch of the other under appreciated codex should be safe, but certain builds from other armies would be forced to change.

It's a nice thought, but i reckon it'd never happen as it'd imvalidate things like drop pod armies

Plus, you know,
spamming units = increased sales
:/

I'm liking the Composite Formations (like decurions). It does fill in the flavor of the xeno-style armies better than the standard FOC (unless you are Eldar).

Zimko wrote:

 necron99 wrote:

Zimko wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

The main problem I had was against MSU objective secured spam. But it performed well enough, placing in the top 20ish of 250 if I remember right.

Dude, if (and when) I ever break the top 20ish at Nova I will have it tattooed somewhere prominently on my body for all to see

By the way I love this list. Like cowbell I think you always need more wraiths but that's just me. I finally had to admit to myself that 12 was enough. So if you are going to Nova next week you'll probably see your list floating around...better than what I came up with by far...

Unfortunately I won't make it this year. I'm a little tired of 7th edition and their 'take whatever units you want' approach. The flexibility was nice for a while but now I'm wishing tournaments would just go back to the standard Force Org. Everytime I try to play a pickup game I try to have 'the conversation' where you determine what kind of list to run, but everyone's version of 'competitive' is different. So it's always a mismatch.

I hear ya on that. I originally signed up for X-Wing Miniatures this year but couldn't get enough games in to make it worth it so I switched back to 40k.

Wow, quite a long thread - will take me some time to go through it!

I've recently felt the urge to dwelve deeper into the the secrets of the ancient Necrontyr and am very close to diving in a grabbing a small starter force.

The only thing that's holding me back I guess is that pretty much the only standard template build I see is Decurion + Canoptek Harvest and the fact that it's hard to cram all the cool units that I'd like to play into the 1250/1500 pts that we usually play in my group.

I'm not necessarily looking to play them super competitive, although part of their appeal is the amount of filthy combos you can pull off.

If you'd be so good as to answer me a few things from your perspective as necron veterans I'd be grateful.

How good are our Forgeworld units? The pylons, crypt stalkers and nightshrouds look awesome, but seem expensive point wise and sub par on paper.

I'd like to play a Living Tomb formation for the sheer awesomeness of dropping those mosters into my enemy lines turn 2. But I don't like to play warrior spam and apparently our vehicles are squishy - will I fail horribly?

Thank you for your time!

First of all,
DO NOT go through the entire thread.
Practically everything from the beginning has been rendered obsolete.

You're better off checking the 1D4chan tactics page instead. At least that is categorized and easily searchable.

You don't NEED to go Decurion to have a good army, it's perfectly possible to play CAD Necrons and do well... it's just most people can't bring themselves to pass up that sweet sweet 4+ RP.

Harvest is good, but not for the reason most people think (they're expecting killy when they're actually getting tarpit). If you want to tarpit things, go ahead and get the stuff for a Harvest. If you want to kill things, you're going to have to go with the other stuff.
...
But not vehicles.
They're all meh (yes, even the FW stuff)

I mostly just can't pass up the Move Through Cover and Relentless.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I mostly just can't pass up the Move Through Cover and Relentless.

This. The 4+ is what makes people annoyed, but MTC Jetbikes are way, way better than ones that have to take DT (even with 3+/RP, you might lose one, and that sucks), and having surprisingly fast (though cover) Warriors/Immortals that can shoot and charge is a huge boon that people don't realize until their Grav Devastators are in combat the whole game.