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Hey all, I'm planning on getting into Fantasy (sooner or later) and I'm trying to come up with a fairly strong list. Doesn't need to be perfectly optimized, just needs to have some fun moments while still being fairly strong. Anyways, here's the list:
Lords - 416pts
Battle Wizard Lord - Lore of Life, Level 4 (not sure where to put him yet...)
General of the Empire - Runefang, Shield, FPA, Horse w/ Barding (Leading the Knights)
Heroes - 449pts
Captain of the Empire - BSB, FPA, Shield (slumming w/ the Swords)
Master Engineer - Plain (babysitting a Helblaster)
Master Engineer - Plain (babysitting a Helblaster)
Warrior Priest - AHW, HA (hanging out with Halberds)
Warrior Priest - GW, HA, Horse w/ Barding (hanging out with Knights)
Warrior Priest - Shield, HA (slumming with the Swords)
Core - 775pts
Halberds - 40, Full Command
Swordsmen - 30, Full Command
Inner Circle Knights - 8, Full Command, Steel Standard on the Standard Bearer
Special - 240pts
Great Cannon
Great Cannon
Rare - 620pts
Helblaster Volley Gun
Helblaster Volley Gun
Celestial Hurricanum
Steam Tank
Total - 2500pts on the nose.
Any tips, C&C, etc. is welcome. I'm brand new to the game, so, this is an early attempt at a list, and I was wondering what you all would think, and hopefully help me tighten things up before I start purchasing!
Thanks for reading and any advice!
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Well... as someone who doesn't play empire or know the finer points of the army I can tell you I don't see any gaping holes is it if that helps.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
Now I recently started Empire myself, but I have to say from my experience so far, you have WAY too many points in characters. I tried something similar (cost effectiveness) and it really doesn't work. I would decide what kind of list you want to run, be it halberd spam, knight wave, etc and build a list off of that. I do however, like the choice in warmachines and the two engineers!
The main teason I have that many characters, is, the need for Warrior Priests to provide Hatred to everything, and, if my information isn't out dated, the ability to channel. The Lord is there to soak challenges and help squish things, since, everytime he hits he's dealing a wound. (and he'll have hatred!)
I was thinking that the 865pts is kinda steep to pay for the heroes, but with the BSB, the need for WP everywhere, a challenge soaker, and a wizard, it gets kind of expensive! :O
The only place I can see taking off is the General of the Empire. All of my other heroes are running pretty plain. I'll give it some thought.
Thank you guys!
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Well, the main thing I'm thinking of, is what Weapon that'd be cheap enough to consider dropping the Runefang for, that'd give my list enough killy in other places to make up for the killy lost from the General.
Dropping Warrior Priest(s) sounds scary, since, hatred and their channel dice are a pretty big deal, imo! And dropping the lvl 4 Life Wizard to Level 2 seems like a huge loss in buff/killing power, as well.
I could probably take the General off entirely, if I needed willing to sacrifice, and give the BSB the +1 LD banner. Throw in another Knight to give them 2 ranks w/ the Warrior Priest, and I'd have 175pts to play around with. Not sure where to put the points, though, since if I'm taking it out of Lords/Heroes, no point going and reinvesting it into a Wizard.
Maybe a group of Handgunners to give my Wizard a place to hide out instead of the Halberds? Only thing I can really think of... hrm.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
The problem with a grand master is that he costs 40-50 more points than a General of The Empire, once you get the General all barded up and such. + the 85 for the Runefang, you get a more expensive hero for one more attack! :O
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
It'd probably be worth it if i had a large block of knights, but with only 8, is it really? Ideally they'll be smashing through whatever they charge.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
First off....if you look in the rule book (and this is looked over ALL THE TIME) you will see that you have far too many points in your lords and heroes, like really, it's against the rules.
YOu can have up to 25% in lords and heroes
Have atleast 25% in core.
50% in Special
25% in rare.
Avrik_Shasla wrote:First off....if you look in the rule book (and this is looked over ALL THE TIME) you will see that you have far too many points in your lords and heroes, like really, it's against the rules.
YOu can have up to 25% in lords and heroes
Have atleast 25% in core.
50% in Special
25% in rare.
Mmk, thanks. I'll redo my list than. (Damn Battlescribe didn't catch it, either, so.. >.<
To be honest, I would drop the general and the knights entirely. 8 isn't enough. That way you can boost your swordsmen, and take a unit of chickens.
I'll keep that in mind while I'm redoing my list!
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Battle Wizard Lord - Lore of Life, Level 4 (not sure where to put him yet...)
Never take a wizard without giving him an arcane item.
Crazyterran wrote:
General of the Empire - Runefang, Shield, FPA, Horse w/ Barding (Leading the Knights)
Wasteful and unnecessary. I agree with taking a General for Ld9 bubble, but the Runefang is a gimic frankly. Why autowound when a lance wounds on a 2+. I would go with Sword of Swift Slaying personally, your general is fast enough to get the rerolls against rank and file. Don't use him as a beatstick for characters, he is there to command, let someone else do the hunting. Take Armour of Destiny instead of full plate and take the Ironcurse Icon to protect the knights.
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Crazyterran wrote:
Heroes - 449pts
Captain of the Empire - BSB, FPA, Shield (slumming w/ the Swords)
No magic banner? Ok, then take Talisman of Preservation.
Crazyterran wrote:
Master Engineer - Plain (babysitting a Helblaster)
Master Engineer - Plain (babysitting a Helblaster)
Drop these, if the guns blow, they blow.
Crazyterran wrote:
Warrior Priest - AHW, HA (hanging out with Halberds)
Warrior Priest - GW, HA, Horse w/ Barding (hanging out with Knights)
Warrior Priest - Shield, HA (slumming with the Swords)
Take one Warrior Priest, two at most.
Take Ruby Ring of Ruin on one, it helps draw out dispel and can be useful against ethereal creatures.
Crazyterran wrote:
Core - 775pts
Halberds - 40, Full Command
Swordsmen - 30, Full Command
Inner Circle Knights - 8, Full Command, Steel Standard on the Standard Bearer
Try and boost the size of all three of those units. But first add a couple of small detachments of handgunners.
Crazyterran wrote:
Special - 240pts
Great Cannon
Great Cannon
Rare - 620pts
Helblaster Volley Gun
Helblaster Volley Gun
Celestial Hurricanum
Steam Tank
No problems here, however one small unit of Pistoliers for charge redirecting is good.
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What do you suggest I hide the Wizard in? In one of the Handgunner units, or?
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Yeah there is a couple of things wrong with what people have said, I don't mean to attack, but you need to know. You are allowed to have 25% in lords and heroes each, aka 50% can be charcters (not smart but you can do it). Also hatred from warrior priests doesn't extend to characters. Drop down to one hellblaster, you are a combat army so you are going to move into some bodies face and only need the hellblasters in certain cases. Drop down to one warrior priest in halbardiers, swordsman don't have to punch to need it. Don't use pistoliers as redirecters, too expensive, use a five man archer unit. Also give the bsb an enchanted shield, dawnstone and sword of might, more survivable and kinda choppy. With the extra points buff up all your core and most importantly play lots of games with your list, play at least 3 games before changing anything, learn how stuff works and what it's limits are.
Ah, well, I changed my list up again, before you gave that advice (though, I can't take a magic standard and magic gear).
Here it is (in spoiler form)
Spoiler:
Lords - 225pts
Battle Wizard Lord - Dispel Scroll, Level 4, Lore of Life (One of the Halberds)
Heroes - 374pts
BSB - FPA, Standard of Discipline (Swordsmen)
Master Engineer - Blank (Babysitting 1 of the helblasters)
Master Engineer - Blank (Babysitting 1 of the helblasters)
Warrior Priest 1 - Extra Hand Weapon, Heavy Armor (Halberd1)
Warrior Priest 2 - Extra Hand Weapon, Heavy Armor (Halbed2)
Core - 920pts
Halberd1 - 40men, Full Command
Halberd2 - 40men, Full Command
Swords - 50men, Full Command
Special - 610pts
Flagellants - 30, Champion
Great Cannon
Great Cannon
Rare - 370pts
Celestial Hurricanum
Helblaster Volleygun
Hellblaster Volleygun
Total: 2499.
I'm tempted to try taking out one of the Volleyguns, as suggested above, as well as a master engineer. That'd get me most of the way to a cannon. Maybe I could drop a Warrior Priest and one of the Halberd units for some Handgunners, and put the Wizard in there, and stick a Lore of Shadows level 2, as well as the Steam Tank.
What do you guys think?
And thank you all so much for the tips and advice, it's helping me out a lot!
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warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
I like this ALOT better, though I am going to contradict the people on the interwebz. Flagellants SUCK, those points invested could be put to much better use.
Yeah, if I can spend 25% in seperate Lords and Heroes, I might drop them for another wizard w/ Lore of Shadow.
*+ Some other goodies*
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warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
It's a good, solid list. I do agree that flaggelants suck and would never field them. I would drop them and go back to the steam tank. It is a fantastic tarpit.
Definitely try the list before dropping the second hellblaster. I find that two are amazing with engineers.
TheMightyDilks wrote:You can, the rulebook states it has 25% allowance for lords and a seperate 25% allowance for heroes.
Excellent. New list may be posted in a bit.
Thank you all again!
(why does : D make the laughing face?)
New list spoilered below:
Spoiler:
Lords - 225pts
Battle Wizard Lord - Level 4, Dispel Scroll, Lore of Life
Heroes - 493pts
Battle Wizard - Level 2, Channeling Rod, Lore of Shadow
Warrior Priest1 - AHW, HA
Warrior Priest2 - AHW, HA
BSB(Swords) - Standard of Discipline, FPA, Shield
Master Engineer - LA
Master Engineer - LA
Core - 920pts
Halberds1 - 40 Men, Full Command
Halberds2 - 40men, Full Command
Swords - 50men, Full Command
Special - 240pts
Great Cannon
Great Cannon
Rare - 620pts
Celestial Hurricanum
Helblaster Volleygun
Helblaster Volleygun
Steam Tank
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warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
6000 points 
4000 points 
Empire 5500 Points 
