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Acts like a combi-weapon with a single shot.

Range: 24"
STR: 5
AP: -
Type: Assault 1, Psi-Shock*

* Any Psyker that takes an unsaved wound from the stake-crossbow shot suffers the Perils of the Warp in addition to any other effects.

So, assauming Perils of the Warp remains (which is likely just with some minor changes/major changes?) would Condemnor Boltguns be worth the 15 point upgrade?

Thoughts?

of course it will still be there, but we dont know what the new perils will do to be fair, if its as nasty as the rumours say then 15pts may be a steal

Not really a YMDC question, more of a tactics one, I think?

Alpharius wrote:Not really a YMDC question, more of a tactics one, I think?

Perhaps. I posted in YMDC as my question regarded the rules revolving around Psykers in particular.

Your call though

We'll see. Perils could be downright dangerous(like exploding heads dangerous)

My problem with the Condemnor Boltgun is the fact that it is AP -. Back when it was the Combi-stake Crossbow armor saves weren't allowed. Most Psykers that we would want to shoot at with this have a 3+ or a 3/4++ anyway. Unless PotW becomes that much worse, I still don't see taking the Condemnor over a Combi-Melta or Combi-Plasma.

I think PotW is going to be less frequent, but more devestating.

More like a Miscast in Fantesy in terms of probability, and much worse.

No, they are just bad.

pretre wrote:No, they are just bad.

+1*infinity

Probably when facing Ork psykers or the IG ones, I'm assuming they have only Flak armour here, would it even start to get near its value. If it were AP 5 or 6, perhaps it would be, but for what you get it feels at about 5 points at most.

n0t_u wrote:Probably when facing Ork psykers or the IG ones, I'm assuming they have only Flak armour here, would it even start to get near its value. If it were AP 5 or 6, perhaps it would be, but for what you get it feels at about 5 points at most.

I was thinking this at first, but why would I want to pay 5 points, let alone 15 points, when a regular Bolter does even better against those targets?

Pretty awful in my opinion. Sure, they get PotW, but first you have to hit, wound, and then they have to fail a save. If it gave PotW just by scoring a hit like with Mindstrike Missiles, then it would be a bit better, but as it stands now you're likely to do as much damage with a regular Boltgun.

Valkyrie wrote:Pretty awful in my opinion. Sure, they get PotW, but first you have to hit, wound, and then they have to fail a save. If it gave PotW just by scoring a hit like with Mindstrike Missiles, then it would be a bit better, but as it stands now you're likely to do as much damage with a regular Boltgun.

You also have to find a psyker all by himself.. or have an opponent kind enough to allocate the hit to him. Both are unlikely, I think. And then you spend 15 pts for a single wound. I'd rather take a combi-melta and ID him.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Much appreciated~!

I want a Heavy Bolter with Condemner Ammo for my Rets... then I would pay 15 pnts for it.

Spidey0804 wrote:I want a Heavy Bolter with Condemner Ammo for my Rets... then I would pay 15 pnts for it.

Nope, still wouldn't. Maybe if it had the old rule, but not with AP - and the ability to pass it to whoever in the squad.

Yeah but Rets can Rend on a 6...

And it still gets assigned to a random guy that isn't a psyker. Plus you'd be turning the normally cheap unit of Rets into an expensive monster (20 points for 4 HB vs 60 for 4 Condemnor HB) for a limited gain.

The only good thing would be Meph would hate you, but Meph hates Rets anyways.