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I am just curious, how come GK and DA get allies? I thought they would be like Tyranids and would not be able to use allies. For GK, nobody is suppose to know they exisit and if they ever do ally up, (wich is suppose to be rarely) they allies get killed, and or mind wiped. DA don't trust anyone so I believe from reading fluff and the net, they don't ally up either.

So besides being able to sell more minis and make the new GK people happy and the new poster boys happy, how come they can ally up? Just seems like the Tyranids get the shaft again.

They can't handle everything on their own, obviously they get allies. I can't believe nids don't get allies like gene stealer cults (guard).

I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

Grey Knights have fought with other forces Imperial Guard, SoB, even Marines - Space Wolves in the 1st Armaggedon war. Dark Angels mustn't be always on missions, though they're probably very suspicions of anything that moves, even their own shadow.

However from what I gather allies aren't necessarily shaking hands before 'n after battle. From what I understand it can be more like a "truce" than anything else.

Davor wrote:I am just curious, how come GK and DA get allies? I thought they would be like Tyranids and would not be able to use allies. For GK, nobody is suppose to know they exisit and if they ever do ally up, (wich is suppose to be rarely) they allies get killed, and or mind wiped. DA don't trust anyone so I believe from reading fluff and the net, they don't ally up either.

So besides being able to sell more minis and make the new GK people happy and the new poster boys happy, how come they can ally up? Just seems like the Tyranids get the shaft again.

DA Do indeed ally with other imp factions a hell of alot, but they almost always do there own thing while doing so, so i would imagine that any allies they do take will be distrustful as best downright hostile at worst, they will also absolutely not ally with any kind of alien or Abhumans (ogryns or ratlings for example) and utterly depise weakness.

GK.. dunno

dæl wrote:I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

I wasn't crying, I don't even play 'nids, I was just musing that even though I think allies is a bad idea personally, it might make things a little more unfair.

b-man wrote:

dæl wrote:I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

I wasn't crying, I don't even play 'nids, I was just musing that even though I think allies is a bad idea personally, it might make things a little more unfair.

It wasn't directed entirely at you, but it's good that you aren't, lots of people have made that supposition and are treating it as gospel.

GK should be able to ally with any imperial army as it can have inquisitors as HQs and they can "borrow" whatever they like. And radical ordos xenos would have no qualms using DE/Tau/Orks/Whoever.

DA, if they though someone had caught on to their secret would probably just kill them off afterwards, but would still utilise Guard regiments if they needed the numbers.

dæl wrote:

b-man wrote:

dæl wrote:I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

I wasn't crying, I don't even play 'nids, I was just musing that even though I think allies is a bad idea personally, it might make things a little more unfair.

It wasn't directed entirely at you, but it's good that you aren't, lots of people have made that supposition and are treating it as gospel.

GK should be able to ally with any imperial army as it can have inquisitors as HQs and they can "borrow" whatever they like. And radical ordos xenos would have no qualms using DE/Tau/Orks/Whoever.

DA, if they though someone had caught on to their secret would probably just kill them off afterwards, but would still utilise Guard regiments if they needed the numbers.

totally correct man, as far as we know so far they have offed an unknown number of inquisitors, possibly some guard forces and a BT crusade force (of unknown size) and thats for nothing other than they "maybe" learned something they shouldnt have.

Anyone remember the WD fluff that had them sent to rescue a high ranking Imperial general, loseing a couple of DA in the process (snipers were purposfully targetting there gland that produces the geneseed), when they arived the general came out with an ogryn, the DA sarge looked at his men and said "were leaving" and just left the general there...

b-man wrote:I can't believe nids don't get allies like gene stealer cults (guard).

Well, even in the fluff you don't really see genestealer cults fighting alongside gaunts on the battlefield. As the way, way, waaaaaay advance party they're more into partisan sabotage, disuption and treachery, generally making a mess of stuff to reduce the planet's defenses. Then when the hive fleet shows up, they raise their hands to the skies and get nom nom'd along with everything else. Back into the digestive pool. (Except for a few who flee as refugees to start new cults elsewhere.)

It may be pre-emptive crying, but some of us don't have that many things to cry about outside of tabletop wargame, gotta give that tear gland some attention, you know.

Anyhow, I can see where the panic is coming from, fluff-wise, some armies, namely the xeno's, would have far less choices than the armies of the Imperium. Being total anti-social freaks that DE are, or the "primal" hivemind ants , it's hard to imagine that GW would somehow shoehorn a story arc where they allied with the happier folks, or folks who talk instead of using telepathy, so from what we can tell with the information we have now, the anti-social armies would get the shaft in the ally rules.

Formosa wrote:

dæl wrote:

b-man wrote:

dæl wrote:I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

I wasn't crying, I don't even play 'nids, I was just musing that even though I think allies is a bad idea personally, it might make things a little more unfair.

It wasn't directed entirely at you, but it's good that you aren't, lots of people have made that supposition and are treating it as gospel.

GK should be able to ally with any imperial army as it can have inquisitors as HQs and they can "borrow" whatever they like. And radical ordos xenos would have no qualms using DE/Tau/Orks/Whoever.

DA, if they though someone had caught on to their secret would probably just kill them off afterwards, but would still utilise Guard regiments if they needed the numbers.

totally correct man, as far as we know so far they have offed an unknown number of inquisitors, possibly some guard forces and a BT crusade force (of unknown size) and thats for nothing other than they "maybe" learned something they shouldnt have.

The Ophidium Gulf was 90 Marines strong, but it' not confirmed as destroyed, only MIA. Heavily implied to have been those dastardly boys in robes though. Then again, it was 998.M41, so one year ago from "now", so they may just have been delayed.

DE have been know in very rare instances to help out their craftworld cousins. If you came up with a convincing back story I personally would allow almost any combo, however saying that if it was very apparant you were combining lists in an effort to powergame and ROFLSTOMP everyone then you could find another table.

dæl wrote:I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

I thought it was taken from the 6th edition pics that are out, not a chart tournament.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=0&aId=22400024a&start=1&multiPageMode=true

Ok, my pre-emptive tears are wasted, but I believe the Nids' tears are well justified.

Davor wrote:

dæl wrote:I love how noone has seen who can ally with who yet(and to what level each will be trusted by the other), but cry about nids not being able to ally with anyone based on a chart from a tournament.

I thought it was taken from the 6th edition pics that are out, not a chart tournament.

I might be wrong but the only thing about allies that's been seen from the book is the half page in the latest teaser, and all that says is about reluctant allies (so the implication is you can take forces you wouldn't think would go together). There was an allies chart from a tourney a few months back that didn't allow nids to ally to anyone.

EDIT: Seems I was wrong.

2nd EDIT:

'crons & Blood Angels
Slaaneshi Daemons & Dark Eldar
Tau & Daemons!!!? WTF! who do the tau think they are fighting with?

Grey Knights could be fielded as allies up until 4th ed. There is plenty of fluff where they fight alongside other armies.