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[user] so with the 6th ed having allies what do you think of a gretchin and ratling army? Of couurse you would need some HQs and we don't really know what the rules are gonna be, but I think of would be a fun list.

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this post. New here haha

"We don't really know what the rules are gonna be" nails it.

Even so, IG probably isn't the best army to ally with, we've got better HQs and troops than they do.

A gretchin army would be a terrible idea, the puny grots would get betten to a pulp!!!

Well, if you want a glass hamm... erm... I don't see that as an effective army at all. Gretchin and Ratlings. Both are T2 IIRC (Ratlings definitely are) and neither are that great at shooting. If an opponent brings along a vehicle you have no way to damage it apart from rending snipers. I would say no.

Well I would say that bringing some DE to the party would work well. If only the grotesques were troops.

(If they're that's awesome!)

Would you be kicking teeth in? Probably not. Would it be an awesomely fun and incredibly original army? Definitely.

KingCracker wrote:Would you be kicking teeth in? Probably not. Would it be an awesomely fun and incredibly original army? Definitely.

Imagine Mad Dok Grotsnik giving all the IG troops Cybork bodies...

I still think JOTWW is more dangerous is certain armies...

Tankbustas in a vendetta...hrmmm...

You can not enter your allies transports, have an IC join a unit of your allies or gain benefit from anything that doesn't have an area of effect, and those are excluding your Warlords special powers.

Deathstrike missiles? Highly orky and good fun. or manticores.

If that's allowed of course, I think for balance it should be 0-1 restriction on HQ and troops and that's it.

I've been trying to put together my speed freaks since like 2003, this might light a fire...

I have a leman russ, couple basalisks, and 3 of those imperial walker things. Would these fit into a speed freak army, or do I only get to pull from basic troops for an ally?

Would Orks addicted to speed appreciate big slow moving tanks?
I'd say no personally.

IG has a lot of AP3, a lot of melta weapons, and a lot of heavy weapons, all of which an ork player could find a use for.

You still don't have infinite amounts of points to waste on allies. Anything of interest would require wasting points on a more or less useless HQ and troops choice.

Chaos Space Marines and Necrons are most likely going to be better allies.

Not really, a CCS and a Infantry Platoon with a bunch of heavy weapon squads is really cheap. It provides some anti-tank to support the orks(at BS3)

Then you can have some "looted" imperial vehicles as support.


The Guardsmen could be modeled as Grots with stolen imperial equipment(same basic statline)

grendel083 wrote:Would Orks addicted to speed appreciate big slow moving tanks?
I'd say no personally.

True, I was more thinking "I have them, why not use them?" Originally when I started putting together my army back in 3rd I was going to use a couple of looted basaliks with a big footslogger army to just lob stuff. Chaos though, I could run a bike army with some chaos bikers I'm guessing? That might be interesting.

Grey Templar wrote:Not really, a CCS and a Infantry Platoon with a bunch of heavy weapon squads is really cheap. It provides some anti-tank to support the orks(at BS3)

The way I see it you can get three things out of the IG HQ+Troops
1) Heavy weapon teams - quite expensive and you only get four of them for a lot of points
2) Melta - they aren't going to do any gut running behind boyz, so the require chimeras, which turn cost a lot again. If you're fielding four chimeras with guardsmen in them and at least one further slot, why not play IG with ork allies?
3) Unlocking looted tanks - One CCS and one Veteran squad as "tax" to unlock one squadon of each heavy and fast IG tanks.

Then you can have some "looted" imperial vehicles as support.


The Guardsmen could be modeled as Grots with stolen imperial equipment(same basic statline)

That's probably the way most orks will go. I know I will

Why not have a chaos Orks army. amagin the damage you could do with a mob of Khorne bezerker Nobs!!!

There's only one thing I'd take from the IG: A primaris psyker.

If theres one thing I like about IG its there Tanks. yes there slow but they pack a punch.

Orks like big guns, more dakka and speed!
It's not just speed, they'd like the big gun on the Leman russ.

Speed is everything to an ork (well, that and war). Theye'd probably just rip the guns off and sticket to something faster!!!

Or just paint the Leman russ red and give it a super charged engine.

No, speed is everything to a Speedfreak. A Deffskull or a Goff isn't going to care as much for speed as he would for a big gun.

Moar Dakka and Moar Boom is a perfectly acceptable compromise.

I fail to see the usefulness of a Leman Russ in an army that, under 5th ed. FOC rules, can spam up to 9 AV14 tanks. We might be short on ranged antitank, but we're certainly not short of armor

Want an orky Russ? Take a Battlewagon and give it those 'ard case and killcannon upgrades. You can even mount a kannon or a lobba for extra punch, and still it'll probably be cheaper than a fully kitted Leman Russ. Sure, it'll be BS2, but with the new rules for blast weapons help mitigate it somehow.

Regardless of how would the transition to 6th affect us orks, we still have some extremely good choices all over the FOC. No need to resort to IG for toys we can get from our codex.

Only critical weakness I see in our army is psychic offense/defense. If all we can field is the unreliable Weirdboy, we're pretty much at any other armies' mercy in the psychic phase. That's why I mentioned the Primaris Psyker, though I admit a CSM sorcerer would be a much better addition... (We won't be able to get Rune Priests, after all )

I've thought of a fluffy list to have a Leman Russ to use it like an Ork tank ace or something.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:I fail to see the usefulness of a Leman Russ in an army that, under 5th ed. FOC rules, can spam up to 9 AV14 tanks. We might be short on ranged antitank, but we're certainly not short of armor

So, how is AV14 goint to kill your opponent? Besides, 8 battlewagons is the maximum, and that's a terrible, terrible list.

Want an orky Russ? Take a Battlewagon and give it those 'ard case and killcannon upgrades. You can even mount a kannon or a lobba for extra punch, and still it'll probably be cheaper than a fully kitted Leman Russ. Sure, it'll be BS2, but with the new rules for blast weapons help mitigate it somehow.

Unless the killkannon drops its point costs by half and doubles it range or can be fired in addition to all other weapons, it's never going to be good unless all blasts become destroyer weapons. Even the boomgun is better, a leman russ infinitely more so.

Regardless of how would the transition to 6th affect us orks, we still have some extremely good choices all over the FOC. No need to resort to IG for toys we can get from our codex.

So, how about ranged anti-tank? As far as I can see all our useful allies (the ones not getting "don't press dat!") are pretty great at that.

Only critical weakness I see in our army is psychic offense/defense. If all we can field is the unreliable Weirdboy, we're pretty much at any other armies' mercy in the psychic phase. That's why I mentioned the Primaris Psyker, though I admit a CSM sorcerer would be a much better addition... (We won't be able to get Rune Priests, after all )

The primaris psycher is not able to join any ork unit, thus making him useless as psychic defense. Most of his buffs(if he uses generic powers) also won't be able to target ork units. The sorcerer or even necron cryptecs are much better support, because the only need to target enemies/not at all to do so.

Thanks for all the replies. I think I'm gonna go with this throw in some kills Kans some looted wagons. Not gonna be the best army out there but it should be fun