People Who make no attempt to paint their models?

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**Eidolon**

I have several friends, myself included, that simply do not enjoy painting. Often times we end up getting together, and getting drunk over about 2 nights while watching movies to paint them. This leads to some awful paint jobs, like my friends guard army which is painted in cheap craft glitter paints over white primer, or my pink blue and green grey knight army. I am a college student. A great deal of my time is spent sitting on the computer reading information. The last thing I want to do for fun is sit and apply paint to models, it just feels like a chore. Most of my armies are the bare minimum 3 colors, I think the shortest time I ever spent on one was 3 hours for a 50 model foot space wolf army.

On the other hand, I have a flesh tearers army that I painted over a winter where I had a lot of free time. While I think it looks beautiful, the red alone was 10 coats of paint, including highlights and washes. I could never spend that much time again working on an army. I can paint with the top 10%-5% of painters out there, but most of the time I dont care enough.

While I think we can all agree that nonpainted looks worse than painted armies, theres a very good chance the people who run constant grey armies just dont enjoy painting. There is no reason that an unpainted army should actually bother someone to look at, and people shouldnt have to waste their time on activities they find boring for others enjoyment.

**Eidolon**

J'santai Khan wrote:I have to wonder how many of the 'I don't paint for whatever reason' people would join a football/baseball/soccer league because they 'liked to play', and would then never show up for practice. It seems kinda the same to me. I sign up, buy my equipment/uniform, show up for practice and then get the enjoyment of playing against people who have done the same. They sign up, buy thier equipment/uniforms, never show up for practice and sit on the bench because they suck, but still like to brag when they're on the winning team.

Honestly, it's a bit insulting to play against anyone that puts NO EFFORT into painting. I don't expect to see my quality arrayed against me at my FLGS, but a little bit of effort is MUCH appreciated. You spent the time to put them together/convert them, now that that part is finished, put a little time into painting them. You'll never get better if you don't try!

Heres the difference. When I play warhammer, those are my models, and Im the only one who runs them. When I play on a sports team, my teammates depend on me to perform on the field. Absolutely nobody is depending on someone else to have painted models. Also, sports are competitive by nature, painting is just competing against yourself. If you and me compete in boxing, I am directly trying to hurt you, while you are trying to hurt me. If we enter a painting competition, we both put in our best on our own time, and then hope that it beats the other guys.

I am a very competitive player. If it wasnt for competitive play, I would have moved along from this hobby with my life. I dont tell the new guy who shows up with a terrible army list that hes insulting me, I go and get one of my bad armies and goof off. Or, if all I have is my coteaz, I find an excuse and dont play, as that game would not be fun for either of us.

Finally, I think the idea that 'youll never get better if you dont try' is silly. A lot of us simply dont have the drive to actually get better painting models.

**Eidolon**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:Eidolon, at least you made the effort to paint them. It's not about having the prettiest army, but anything's better than not trying.

I disagree. A raw plastic army still has the potential to become something beautiful someday, but a badly painted one is just wasted.

You have no idea. I was joking around with my friends about painting them up all slaaneshi like. Then, one night, I got stood up on a date, and half a bottle of rum later my plan was underway.
Here are some photos from a tournament in december. The models have, as of late, been based with glitter and sealed with glosscoat.

On the one hand, it is a pretty ugly army. On the other hand, it is pretty hilarious, and I think a good parody of both the grimdark nature of the game, and how serious a lot of people take their plastic dollies. So while its not pretty, I dont feel that it is in anyway a wasted effort.

**Eidolon**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Eidolon wrote:On the one hand, it is a pretty ugly army. On the other hand, it is pretty hilarious, and I think a good parody of both the grimdark nature of the game, and how serious a lot of people take their plastic dollies.

Oh, I hear you!

Mines better, because it didnt come from 4chan

infinite_array wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
J'santai Khan wrote:I have to wonder how many of the 'I don't paint for whatever reason' people would join a football/baseball/soccer league because they 'liked to play', and would then never show up for practice. It seems kinda the same to me. I sign up, buy my equipment/uniform, show up for practice and then get the enjoyment of playing against people who have done the same. They sign up, buy thier equipment/uniforms, never show up for practice and sit on the bench because they suck, but still like to brag when they're on the winning team.

Practicing makes you better at the game - the reason you joined the team.
Painting does not make you better at the game - the reason some people play 40k.

See the difference and why your analogy is dumb?

His analogy is fine. You, on the other hand, missed the point of his analogy entirely. Painting doesn't make you better at the game. Painting makes you better at painting.

No, I think you missed the point. Nobody plays a sport to have a pretty uniform, you play a sport for the game itself. Some people dont care about painting, so they dont do it, but they can still play the game.

**Eidolon**

Most fabulous army competition, coming to an lgs near you 2012

**Eidolon**

I have always wondered about the hobby nazis who dont have the same level of painting/fluff knowledge as a lot of us competitive guys. I have encountered, at least locally, a segment of the 40k population that likes to talk up the hobby and fluff aspect, and talk down the gamin aspect, without actually being good at the hobby or fluff aspect. The local guys who run tough armies tend to also win best painted and have the best fluff knowledge. I think this is something thats largely ignored in these discussions, the extremely well rounded gamer.

**Eidolon**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Pacific wrote:
I would take this a hundred times over the unpainted, unassembled BA army that turns up week after week. Personally I would be ashamed to do that and to place it on the table, but then I guess it comes down to if you believe in that whole 'social contract' thing and care at all about the kind of experience that your opponent will have.

I consider it part of the social contract to not be condemned as some sort of inferior being based on a completely arbitrary standard. I get the feeling some people here just look for reasons to feel superior. It's like listening to "ethical" vegetarians.

Actually yeah, thats a really good argument. As someone who is a vegetarian I can tell you I have never bitched at somebody else for eating meat, and feel that doing so puts you in the donkey-cave category. I do it for ethical reasons, but I understand that others may not follow those same choices/beliefs and so I stfu about it. I actually dont tell people, and often times friends find out months after getting to know me.

If you want to paint your models and enjoy that, fine, I hope you enjoy the hobby. I showed up to the last tournament in a $60 shirt, $50 shorts, and $100 shoes. Should I expect the guy in sketchers, cargo shorts, and a really old plain t shirt dress to my standards? From now on, if you arent dressed as well as me, I will look down on you and refuse to play you.

**Eidolon**

MetalOxide wrote:The time factor excuse is utter rubbish, there are plenty of spray paints, washes and quick shades out there which can make a decent looking, inexpensive, quick paint scheme.

What if I dont want to spend money on painting? Its not worth it money wise for me to buy army painter?

**Eidolon**

UsdiThunder wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:Ok, So today i went to a warmachine league to see if i like that game and see if anyone is willing to help me learn a little(they did alot)
But i noticed, alot of people still dont have painted armies, and i dont mean models in the army that arent painted, i mean feilds of gray. This is the same at my 40k night.
Out of the 8-10 people ther only 3 can field a fully painted 1500 the rest have primer and show they give a little bit about painting. This may change though because we will be giving people points for the campaign for coming with a fully painted army.
But is it too much to ask people at least attempt to paint there armys? I know alot of people dont have the time but i see people buying more and never painting.
Am i asking to much?

Yes you are asking too much. If the person who OWNs the models doesn't WANT to or TRY to paint their models it is no business of yours or anyone elses. If the League requires them to be painted then and only then must they field painted armies. Your opinion has no bearing of what they do with the models they OWN. If you don't wish to play them, then don't. That is YOUR right as you OWN your models and your time.

This is a similar issue with Bronies, PETA, Religous people, Democrats, Republicans, etc... The whole "my opinion holds more water than theirs and therefore must be heeded" point of view. Opinions are just Thoughts based on limited and anecdotal evidence from a personal point ov view. That's it! Just because you have an opinion about what you perceive as right, does not make it right. It has no weight nor does it have any relevance on how another person conducts their life.

It doesn't matter if the guy with an unpainted army has no time, no desire, or no hands YOU have no bearing on his property nor on his enjoyment of the game.

I think its worth pointing out that tournaments/leagues probably shouldnt require a 3 color minimum for this reason, but instead should have a totally separate painting category.

**Eidolon**

helium42 wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:If people are looking for a game of skill and strategy that doesn't involve painting, then why not play chess?

I do play chess. I also happen to enjoy playing warhammer and a few other miniature wargames.

I find the variety of ways to win in warhammer more interesting than chess. And its more fun to play socially than chess, at least from my experience, which is a game dominated by old people.

**Eidolon**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:5 skeleton warriors.

Basecoat bone with paint X

Wash bone with paint Y

Drybrush bone with paint Z.

Total time less than 1hr. Skill level 2/10

divide 1hr by a month.

I don't think there is anybody on this thread who could truthfully say that they could not do something like the above if they had 4 weeks to do it. Unless of course you had a disability. I knew another person from a tournament that had an undead army full of skeletons. Even after two years, the same army was unpainted.

Yeah so? Maybe I just hate painting and that 1 hour a month is a chore. Maybe I feel that my time spent at bars and going on dates and such uses up enough of my money, and I dont want to spend $10 on paints because thats a movie ticket or a 6 pack of beer. Sure, I can find the time to paint an army. 2 years ago I built a jumpers army and painted a nid army in the same month. But now I just dont want to put more colors on models, because slapping 3 colors on looks sloppy and making them look nice is too much effort. Its also worth noting that someone like me plays 2-3 days a week, and so I cant have my army in various stages of painted. I like to do all of 1 step to everything at once, which means I have to find the time to base all 70 of my gk models in one sitting. Finding the time to do that, and wanting to spend the time to do that, generally isnt easy.

What is it to you then? My dollies are grey and ugly, yours are painted and pretty, nobody cares.

**Eidolon**

I am going to create a 'coolness algorithm' which will compute how cool you are. It takes in your clothing style, ability to hold alcohol, general social skills, number of girls dated/slept with, and playing ability. If your score is below a certain arbitrary level, you are not only not as cool as me, but in fact, not cool enough for me to even bother acknowleding at the game store.

Enjoy being shunned for your lack of awesomeness, pleb.

**Eidolon**

GBL wrote:I dont get why people that dont want to participate in the hobby, bother playing the game at all. The hobby is the full package.

This whole thing reminds me of when my sister used to play GTA2. She would find a parked car, jump in and then try her best to drive around town legally, obeying traffic signals, and staying in her lane.

Doesnt matter if its fun, its doing it wrong.

This is what has driven me towards historicals. Historical wargamers argue about historical inaccuracies in paint schemes, but they can have those arguments because (almost) all of them are dedicated hobbyists and have painted their miniatures in the first place.

I believe this attitude, that participating in the hobby is not required for gameplay, has come from the intense gameist focus that games workshop has instilled in its customer base. They have decided to make the fields of grey a legitimate tactic, because it helps shift miniatures to those who wouldnt otherwise bother.

I dont mind people who are in the process of painting their armies, and will often help tutor those who are trying to paint their army. But i do get disgruntled with people who buy the army of the month, assemble them poorly, play with them until the next release, then ebay their grey crud. There are games you can play with tokens, there are games with cards that support buying exactly whats on the win list and playing with that, but miniatures wargaming should be firmly off their radar.

Naturally all IMHO

Do you also get angry when people pose their models in poses you dont find realistic? What if my shirt happens to match my armies paint scheme, or doesnt match it? What if I carry my models not in an expensive battlefoam case, but a large cardboard box with those cheap pluck out foam trays in it? What if, instead of drinking mountain dew while playing, I drink a protein shake, or sprite mixed with rum? Sometimes, while my opponent is moving his models, I like to text people. Do all these things, which have nothing to do with you, and no effect on you, also make you angry? Because, I definitely get SO MAD and SO ANGRY about people doing things that trigger my strange ocd over things that dont matter.

**Eidolon**

GBL wrote:
insaniak wrote:
GBL wrote:I dont get why people that dont want to participate in the hobby, bother playing the game at all. The hobby is the full package.

If your hobby involves painting miniatures, that's fine. For some fishermen, their hobby includes fishing, and also includes building their own rods. That doesn't mean that the people who just buy a rod and go chuck a line in the water are doing it wrong... they're just confining their hobby to the activity that they enjoy... because that's what hobbies are for.

To extend your own analogy:

What we have isnt fisherman buying their own rods instead of building them, we have fishermen entering contests with unassembled unfinished rods. It would all be fine if said fishermen bought finished rods, nobody would ever know or care, and everyone knows that there are plenty of finished working rods on ebay. Except where the analogy falls apart is that these broken rods still allow people to play and win fishing competitions, where they have put in practically zero effort. A flow on effect is that in fishing competition photos, there are unassembled and broken rods in all the photos.

Doesnt seem good for any of the fishermen concerned, except those who are allowed to compete with broken rods.

Oh noes, unassembled and broken rods in the photos. Nobody gave a feth, because the fishermen who won the fishing competition still did it through being honest. I like how you assume painting should have some kind of bearing on your performance on the table top. Do you enjoy painting for paintings sake? If so, then stfu and enjoy painting. If you enjoy it so you can show up to the lgs and feel better about yourself for having color on your models, consider counseling. A lot, and I mean a lot, of the people who win tournaments also know the fluff inside and out, and paint very well.

Upload a photo of some of your painted models, I want to critique them.

**Eidolon**

GBL wrote:

But sure, imply i have a problem with your shirt, because thats relevant.

No, thats the point, its totally irrelevant, just like other people not painting their models is, or at least SHOULD be irrelevant to your enjoyment of warhammer.

**Eidolon**

insaniak wrote:
Eidolon wrote:No, thats the point, its totally irrelevant, just like other people not painting their models is, or at least SHOULD be irrelevant to your enjoyment of warhammer.

To be fair, for those who enjoy the game more for the visual aspect of having two fully painted armies on a table full of terrain, an opponent with an unpainted army does affect their enjoyment of the game.

But that doesn't mean that the guy with the unpainted army is doing it wrong... just that, if you think it's going to affect your enjoyment significantly, he's someone you're better off not playing against.

Sure, but I dont see people with unpainted armies posting about how those with painted armies make them feel bad and destroy their enjoyment of the game by making their models look ugly.

**Eidolon**

Platuan4th wrote:
Eidolon wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Eidolon wrote:No, thats the point, its totally irrelevant, just like other people not painting their models is, or at least SHOULD be irrelevant to your enjoyment of warhammer.

To be fair, for those who enjoy the game more for the visual aspect of having two fully painted armies on a table full of terrain, an opponent with an unpainted army does affect their enjoyment of the game.

But that doesn't mean that the guy with the unpainted army is doing it wrong... just that, if you think it's going to affect your enjoyment significantly, he's someone you're better off not playing against.

Sure, but I dont see people with unpainted armies posting about how those with painted armies make them feel bad and destroy their enjoyment of the game by making their models look ugly.

Wait, haven't a few people in this very thre... OOOOOHHH.

I also dont see competitive gamers posting about how people running poor lists effects their enjoyment of the game, we just wont play you as its not what we are looking for. I dont bring this up to try and stir another slowed hobby v competitive circlejerk, but because I want to know why the paint nazis seem to get buttpained over the idea of losing to an unpainted army.

**Eidolon**

At what point does the whole painting standards thing stop though? I have warhammer armies that look at least as good as that model. Does that give me a right to look down my nose at you? If your models dont have multiple highlights and levels of shading, I dont even want to see them on the table, they dont look as pretty as mine and its detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

**Eidolon**

GBL wrote:

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Eidolon wrote:At what point does the whole painting standards thing stop though? I have warhammer armies that look at least as good as that model. Does that give me a right to look down my nose at you? If your models dont have multiple highlights and levels of shading, I dont even want to see them on the table, they dont look as pretty as mine and its detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

I have never had a problem with anyone who tries to paint their miniature, because at that point they are participating, and can be encouraged to do better. Someone who says "lol i dont paint, kills ebay resale value" cannot be encouraged to do better.

The hobby is a process, you arent going to be fantastic straight out of the gate, but everyone in a club/group/store whatever can help everyone to be better, assuming they are willing to be part of the hobby.

Sure but, this isnt THE hobby, its A hobby. Recently I have taken up weight lifting to try and get into better shape. I wasnt out of shape, but I figure I could use some extra muscle. When I go into the gym and see a fat lady walking on the treadmill, or the guy doing high reps low weights, I dont feel they are doing it wrong. Those people simply have different goals. The fat lady is not concerned about packing on muscle, she just wants to lose weight, the other guy probably just wants to tone up and isnt interested in getting big. I know a girl who runs 7 miles a day. I dont think she is working out wrong. I find running incredibly boring and tedious, but more power to her.

So, if I tell you that I am in THE hobby of exercise, do I have to do a certain mix of everything to do it right? Or is the girl going for endurance, and me going for size and strength, just 2 different people with different goals in mind participating in the same general hobby? This isnt THE hobby, its a general hobby made up of various aspects, just like exercising. You can choose to participate in all of them, some of them, or not at all. Some of us do pretty good at all of them. And it shouldnt matter to anyone else. Nobody at the gym complains about other people not participating in their particular workout. Why do people find it necessary to do it with something as trivial as toy soldiers?

**Eidolon**

GBL wrote:
All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

Uh no. I dont think you would complain about someone who shows up to the store once every few months, buys a couple models, goes home to paint them really well, and never plays. If you take the amazingly narrow-minded approach that this is all one big hobby and you have to participate in fluff, modeling, painting, and gaming to say you partcipate, then the guy who shows up to stare at the ladies is the weirdo who shows up to the lgs every saturday but never players or buys models. He doesnt play, doesnt own a model, never did, just watches week after week. The guy who only lifts and is massive might be the painter, the girl who runs a half marathon daily is the competitive gamer, the guy who does a little of everything but nothing hardcore is your average gamer. They all participate in different aspects of the hobby, but to differing degrees.

And one again I ask, why do you care how other people enjoy the hobby? Sure, it took you 15 minutes to slap some drybrushing on that mad cat. But if I have 50 space marines and 5 tanks, thats 12.5 hours just to get my marines to a basic table top standard. If I really hate painting, thats a lot of time invested in something I dont enjoy or care one bit about. Not to mention the money for the paints.

**Eidolon**

GBL wrote:
Eidolon wrote:
GBL wrote:
All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

Uh no. I dont think you would complain about someone who shows up to the store once every few months, buys a couple models, goes home to paint them really well, and never plays. If you take the amazingly narrow-minded approach that this is all one big hobby and you have to participate in fluff, modeling, painting, and gaming to say you partcipate, then the guy who shows up to stare at the ladies is the weirdo who shows up to the lgs every saturday but never players or buys models. He doesnt play, doesnt own a model, never did, just watches week after week.

And one again I ask, why do you care how other people enjoy the hobby? Sure, it took you 15 minutes to slap some drybrushing on that mad cat. But if I have 50 space marines and 5 tanks, thats 12.5 hours just to get my marines to a basic table top standard. If I really hate painting, thats a lot of time invested in something I dont enjoy or care one bit about. Not to mention the money for the paints.

Get some paper minis? If you just want the game, why purchase a component of another hobby? Why would you buy well over 250 dollars (probably twice that, cant be arsed counting) of miniatures just to not use them? I painted my blood angels one at a time, with about an hour total every week. Its not a big investment in time. I spend more time in the shower every week. You wouldnt assemble redcoat miniatures if you werent planning on painting them red? yet people play games with redcoat miniatures all the time. I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures. What is it about PP and GW that make people buy miniatures, assemble them, cart them around, but not even bothering to dip them in motor oil for shading? Gw really has won hasnt it, plastic crack and all that.

I enjoy painting models from time to time. Not often, but every now and then I decide to not go out for a weekend and hammer out a bunch of models. Some of my paintjobs were done with the goal of 3 colors fast, some for humor, and some to look amazing. I find a lot of enjoyment in sitting down, listening to music or watching a few movies, and painting miniatures. However, one of my best gaming buddies hates it, and has never fielded a fully painted army in 6 years of playing. Often times they never make it past getting primed. I dont look down on him for this. I know a few people like this, they just never paint, dont enjoy it. Its not my problem, and I dont worry about it. So why do you worry about it? What about your brain makes you fret over people not painting their models and deciding to say feth it, throw them in a tub, and leave them grey?

**Eidolon**

Squidmanlolz wrote:The most upsetting thing is people who don't paint their Infinity models. Every model in the line is gorgeous and deserves a paint job to match. Besides, you only need to field around eight models... that's a week's worth of painting, a month if you only paint a few hours a week.

Aye, when I looked into getting into that game it was the idea of painting up a chinese force that really excited me.

**Eidolon**

Bullockist wrote:

I think the most amusing post was the one saying "why spend $10 on paints , i want to spend my money on beer or girls",all the while failing to realise that $10 is nothing when it comes to the cost of the miniatures. Lots more beer there, hero

$10 is a fair amount compared to what I pay for my models actually. I have spent probably $400 between 4k of grey knights, 3k of blood angels, and 3k of space wolves over the last 2 years. And no, while that probably wasnt the best example, to somebody who hates painting, that $10 to paint a couple squads is money completely wasted. While it might only be a 6 pack or a theater ticket, thats money not wasted. I can use that $10 for a great deal of cheap enjoyable things, as opposed to buying paints I dont care about for an activity I find utterly boring and stupid.

**Eidolon**

Doctadeth wrote:The thing that annoys me when people don't paint their models, is that they THEN claim that models are other types of troops etc, when you cannot tell from the mountain of plastic what is what.

Painting up squads means you can diffentiate what is what ingame relatively easily, without having to ask for army lists or ask the guy what is what.

its not *upsetting* per se, but just makes it easier for both parties involved.

I never understood this. Can you elaborate?

**Eidolon**

I have 5 armies, and about ~13,000 points of models in my house. Almost all of my models are fully painted, The only ones that arent are the ones I dont ever play with, so maybe 400 points or so. You must have missed the post where I mentioned building a 2k blood angels jumper army AND doing a fairly good job of painting a nid army in the same month years ago. I can run 6 different armies with everything from 3 color slap job iron warriors, to my flesh tearers, where the assault marines have 4 layers of highlights and multiple washes. For about a year I played a game called heavy gear. Its a skirmish scale mech game. There are no painting requirements, and often no wysiwyg requirements either. It was not uncommon for people to show up to tournaments with armies that were still silver, and half them models didnt even have weapons glued on them. I put about 3 hours into each of the models in my army, building up highlights and then applying multiple washes to blend them back down. I have painted armies for people, both as paid work and as 'hey lets just get this guard army painted tonight because theres nothing better to do in January'.

Im not invested into this as someone who doesnt paint. I like to paint, I just have to be in a certain mood to do so. I am invested into this discussion as someone who is generally sick of the 'my way of approaching 40k>your way'.

**Eidolon**

Mad4Minis wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

Thats one big draw to WarmaHordes...low model count means not much painting. Also giving each warbeast a slightly different paint job allows you to tell them apart during the game.
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This is absolutely true. Painting for skirmish scale games is a lot more fun. It doesnt use up as much time, you can add more personal details to each model, and the army doesnt get repetitive. With say, a marine army you have 40 randos with boltguns to paint. A good skirmish game you might have a total 5 of the same type of guy.

MetalOxide wrote:Well grey is the most dull boring colour you can get.

Spoiler:

**Eidolon**

Kaldor wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:That would require that there are adults talking.

Your statement is just as childish as the assertion that painting is the "adult thing to do".

You're both essentially saying "I don't like you, I'm taking my toys and going home." Let's leave that attitude and behavior on the playground it belongs, ok, kid?

Nothing wrong with that. Someone with a self entitled "I don't have to paint if I don't want to" attitude is not someone worth wasting my time on.

If I dont feel you are as cool/socially acceptable outside the game store as I am, then I dont want to waste my time on you. I have a hard time imagining someone who basis part of their value of other people by how/if they paint their mandollies is anything but a massive grognard.

Grimtuff wrote:
Mad4Minis wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:But what is the point of converting if you dont paint?

Honestly I dont care for painting all that much, but I LOVE to build and convert. I see painting more as a necessary evil. I really hate painting multiples of the same mini, like you have to in "army" scale games like 40k. Probably why I have never actually finished a 40k sized army. Back when I was an active Battletech player I had about 120 mechs, no 2 painted the same.

But I honestly don't get that attitude. An extensively converted model will be a hippy dippy mish mash of bare metal, grey plastic or resin and green stuff and just looks terrible. A quick squirt of black spray covers a multitude of sins. Please, if you're not prepared to paint them, at least meet us halfway here.

So, to get this straight.
These:

Spoiler:

Look better than these in your eyes?

Spoiler:

Maybe he is ok with the first part, and feels thats all the work he wants to put in? I am sure that we all could agree that the kind of models that win golden demons, or are top rated on coolminiornot are absolutely stunning. I dont think most of us would be willing to put in the time/effort to paint our models like that though, same thing.

**Eidolon**

But why should they have to? Why should they have to enjoy the hobby the same way you do?

**Eidolon**

Grimtuff wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:I mean, even if the progress is at a practically glacial pace then no-one is really going to care. As it shows you're actually making progress, however slow it may be.

Why does anyone have to 'show' that they are making progress?

Because it shows you're not some lazy goit that is prepared to paint their models?

Who cares? Its mandollies. Congrats, you feel someone is lazy for not applying layers of paint to overpriced plastic toys. Serious question time; Is your social life built around gaming?

**Eidolon**

Grimtuff wrote:
Eidolon wrote:But why should they have to? Why should they have to enjoy the hobby the same way you do?

I'm not saying they have to. But the vast majority of "permanent grey hordes" players I've come across are nothing short of lethargic that hang around the local GW all day then play Xbox/watch TV by night yet claim they have no time to paint their armies.

I'll play whoever, but I'll give preference to a painted army over an unpainted one.

Really? Whats hanging around the local gw all day? 7 days a week? Just saturday and sunday? I find it hard to believe there are people, who arent teenagers on summer break, who spend all day at the game store and all night playing video games.