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2012/06/30 08:05:34
Subject: Librarian Heretics?
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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It just occured to me, since the Council of Nikea banned librarians and all phsychic powers among the legions, aren't all librarians heretics,
since they use their powers anyway?
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2012/06/30 08:11:38
Subject: Re:Librarian Heretics?
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Not really. The ban was lifted later it seems. Most likely by Gullimans codex Astartes.
If your duty is in the codex, its not heresy. 
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In dedicatio imperatum ultra articulo mortis.
H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
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2012/06/30 08:45:29
Subject: Librarian Heretics?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Thats heresy!
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2012/06/30 09:37:05
Subject: Re:Librarian Heretics?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1hadhq wrote:Not really. The ban was lifted later it seems. Most likely by Gullimans codex Astartes.
If your duty is in the codex, its not heresy.
Probably even before. Index Astartes has Blood Angel and Imperial Fist Librarians directly directed by the Emperor to counter sorcerers during the Siege of Terra.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/06/30 13:04:57
Subject: Re:Librarian Heretics?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Tadashi wrote:1hadhq wrote:Not really. The ban was lifted later it seems. Most likely by Gullimans codex Astartes.
If your duty is in the codex, its not heresy.
Probably even before. Index Astartes has Blood Angel and Imperial Fist Librarians directly directed by the Emperor to counter sorcerers during the Siege of Terra.
At the time though, the Emperor had only banned sorcery as opposed to all psychic powers which is the current interpretation. So I feel this little bit will be changed by the time we reach it during the HH.
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2012/06/30 14:06:13
Subject: Re:Librarian Heretics?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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1hadhq wrote:Not really. The ban was lifted later it seems. Most likely by Gullimans codex Astartes.
If your duty is in the codex, its not heresy.
Librarians were banned at Nikea mostly likely to try and put the cat back in the bag, so to speak. I don't know if there's been any official fluff on why Nikea was overturned, but I'd say a pretty reasonable explanation is that once it was out, eventually it was realized that forbidding a weapon was pointless if your enemy was going to use it against you.
Guilliman definitely makes mention in KNF that the Nikea decision left them without their best weapon for combatting the denizens of the Warp. I'd imagine it's a good guess to say that, until we get some sort of definitive answer down the road, that the Emperor eventually relented (he was still responsive for a while being interred into the Golden Throne so it could have even happened after the Heresy) and then Guilliman codified it into the Codex Astartes with the input of the senior Librarians.
However, Librarians have existed in the game since long before the Horus Heresy era fluff came around, so whatever fluff has been created for the Heresy will eventually have to mesh with that "truth".
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2012/06/30 16:36:20
Subject: Re:Librarian Heretics?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Nikea was overturned by Malcador shortly before the seige of Terra and it has been followed ever since, except by the BTs who still hold the verdict to be in force.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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