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Ok, so, i cant find anything in the 6E rule-book about whether or not challenges were just for ICs or not. It seems like (by the way they plainly define characters) unit champions can also make and accept challenges. Is this true? Also, if it IS true....has this mechanic just made that buried Powerfist in the unit a waste of points (at least in MEQ armies)? Seems like if your MEQ character has a simple power sword/bolt pistol combo, he'd be able to trounce a power-fister any day...cuz if you accept, chances are you'll be killed before you can make your attacks, and if you decline, you make no attacks at all...

Sorry if this is thread necromancy, i checked recent posts and didn't see anything touching on this.

*Edit* Also, Just wondering...do you guys think that in a unit of Bloodletters, the one with Fury of Khorne counts as a character, or, because of how its worded, is FoK simply an upgrade peice of "wargear" i happen to have given one of the BLs?

**edited a second time to fix bad spelling**

Waste of points in MEQ armies? How about non-MEQ?
Because Ork nob, IG sergeant and Eldar exarch etc. swinging at I1 are sooo much more survivable.
Hidden powerfists were too good at killing ICs. Now they can fight back.

Read the characters section. The first example of a character is a Space Marine Veteran Sergeant squad upgrade.

All characters may take part in challenges.

Nitros14 wrote:Read the characters section. The first example of a character is a Space Marine Veteran Sergeant squad upgrade.

All characters may take part in challenges.

Thanks man. Spent too much time scouring the first couple pages for that info, i completely neglected the examples >.<

Macok wrote:Waste of points in MEQ armies? How about non-MEQ?
Because Ork nob, IG sergeant and Eldar exarch etc. swinging at I1 are sooo much more survivable.
Hidden powerfists were too good at killing ICs. Now they can fight back.

I was overcome with vicious glee while reading the Challenges section.

I was remembering my game on Friday, where Celestine would survive the attacks of over a dozen Ork Boyz - after whiffing half her attacks and more than half her wounds - only to get insta-gibbed by the Nob and his Power Klaw. I think over the course of the game, that happened three times. And when I was reading the Challenges section, I pictured two possible ways it could have gone.

In the first, Celestine challenges the Ork Nob to single combat, and he accepts, and she promptly smashes his face in. (though, with some of my rolls in the melee phases, he would actually have survived her assault and probably instagibbed her anyways)

In the second, Celestine challenges the Ork Nob to single combat, and he declines, and she promptly smashes in the faces of a few Ork Boyz while the Nob cowers.

I think it probably makes powerfists more of a niche weapon for squad leaders, since the possibility of a challenge makes their Unwieldy rule more of a drawback than it would otherwise be.

As for the Bloodletter issue, I dunno.

As for the original question, from all the examples they give, unit champions and the like do seem to qualify for challenges. They talk about sergeants intervening or being saved from a horrible fate in the Glorious Intervention subsection. They talk about Nobz fighting in challenges in an earlier subsection of the Challenges section.

Edit: Awwh, ninja'd while typing...

Fury is just an upgrade for a regular Bloodletter. Daemon units dont have squad leaders.
Skulltaker on the other hand..