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The consensus at my FLGS is when an IC with a 2+ save joins a unit with a 4+,5+,6+,no armor save and takes point the IC can LOS the wounds to a squad mate after the IC fails his 2+ save.

Examples: Saint Celestine 2+ armor save in a unit of repentia, or IG blob, Coteaz 2+ armor save in a unit of henchmen, and archon 2++ invo in a unit of grotesques, an overlord 2+ armor in a unit of necron warriors.

Going to quote the 6th ed rulebook for a minute. The first part of LOS reads as follows

When a wound (or unsaved wound) is allocated to one of your characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6" he's allowed a look out sir attempt.

The entire thing seems like shenanigans, but page 16 seems pretty crystal clear that unsaved wounds (ie failed 2+ saves) can then take a LOS. Is there something elsewhere in the book that would contradict page 16? (I hope there is )

Actually, for units with Multiple Saves, if you choose to take it on the HQ, and don't go for your Look Out, Sir! roll before he rolls the save, the save fails and he loses a wound, I believe.

Anyways, on Page 26, it says only Wounds Allocated. on Page 16, it says wounds allocated, including unsaved wounds. /shrug.

EDIT: now that I think about it...

It could refer to the fact that, when unsaved wounds start to tear up your flank and it reaches your sergeant (if he's placed in the middle), and he would be the next to take an unsaved wound, you can choose to Look Out, Sir! him at that point. However, if he's taking the saves himself, and fails, he cannot pass them along to underlings. There's a subtle difference, now that I'm re reading the page, but...

No, you cannot do that.

When you have mixed armour saves, you allocate wounds, not unsaved wounds.

You then choose to LOS! on that *wound*, which is before any saves are taken. If you take a save you have passed up your chance to LOS!, as you dont get to allocate anything once the save has been rolled.

nosferatu1001 wrote:No, you cannot do that.

When you have mixed armour saves, you allocate wounds, not unsaved wounds.

You then choose to LOS! on that *wound*, which is before any saves are taken. If you take a save you have passed up your chance to LOS!, as you dont get to allocate anything once the save has been rolled.

This. On units with the same save, and you fail enough wounds to get to the Sergeant, you can take a "Look Out, Sir!" roll. However, if the leader has a different armor save (2+, in your example) and chooses *not* to do a Look Out, Sir! roll before they take their armor save, they cannot later take their Look Out, Sir! Roll. You can not re allocate wounds once the saving throw for the character has been taken.

Agree with nos. Look Out Sir allows the wound to be passed off when it is allocated to the model. This occurs at different times depending on whether the unit has all the same save or has mixed saves.

When you have mixed saves in a unit, as already pointed out, wounds are allocated BEFORE taking saves, which is when LOS would pass the wound off to a new model.


In a unit that all had the same saves, LOS would pass the wound off AFTER saves had been taken and failed.

You need to re-read both sets of wound allocation rules. Unsaved/failed wound allocation is for units with same save. Pre save allocation is for mixed save units. The way your FLGS is doing it is wrong.

yakface wrote:
Agree with nos. Look Out Sir allows the wound to be passed off when it is allocated to the model. This occurs at different times depending on whether the unit has all the same save or has mixed saves.

When you have mixed saves in a unit, as already pointed out, wounds are allocated BEFORE taking saves, which is when LOS would pass the wound off to a new model.


In a unit that all had the same saves, LOS would pass the wound off AFTER saves had been taken and failed.

I agree with you yak, but the timing you explained from page 15 is not explained on page 16 so this confusion may last a while. I think this one will keep poping it's head up until GW FAQs it, which is why I think this one should go into the INAT FAQ. You guys do a good job with the INAT FAQs.

The next question is can the IC deal with the wounds 1 wound at a time, and half way through when his luck runs out start making LOS saves. Example: The front member of a squad is a 3 wound necron overlord with a 3++ invo when the squad eats 6 plasma wounds. Can he allocate a wound to himself without LOS, take the save, make a save, rinse, repeat, and after plasma wound #3 he gets fails his save and knocked down to 2 wounds. Starting with wound #4 can he start making LOS saves to reallocate the wounds.

Yes, you can do so - there are no limits on when you can LOS! on allocation. I do this with mordrak, in reverse, to try to protect the libby...

Multra wrote:Ok put in simple terms for mixed saves termi in front chumps behind:

1) You take 5 wounds, termi is clearly closest model
2) You take ONE wound from the pool allocate it to the closest model (termi in this case.) You can either A) Take the Termis armor save OR B) take a look out sir and pawn the wound off to another model within 6" and resolve that models save(s) (if it gets any.)
3)repeat step 2 until 0 wounds in the pool remain.