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Power Fists. For me I think in cases where I would normally use one power fist I would either double up if I could, (so I don't lose an attack) or drop some points and go commando. Having one big crab arm is no longer an option.

Swords may be dead. I think the biggest point of using a power sword was to be able to crack that 2+ save on a can of spam. I would rather save the points to grab a Missile Launcher so I can get a few shots in on it while it charges at me from across the field. Regular melee weapons are looking great in comparison.

Power Axe... It is a power fist without the 2x strength bonus. I'm gonna greenstuff some squares onto the ends of all the swords I have if I even decide to fight in close combat at all. The real melee now begins at initiative 1 or from 48" away.

Now choosing a melee weapon is going to be like Rock, Paper, Scissors. If I take a sword I will attack first but might get blocked by armor. If I grab fist/s I can still bash a tank and fight great in CC if I double up my fist cost. If I grab an axe I have better odds against a single fist and I can deal with spam in a can if I don't get cut down by a normal CC wep since it's first in first down and a chance for my double fisting smash king to get dropped by a good Overwatch on the way in.

Is anything other than Vanilla CC and HQ CC not meant to be used anymore? With these rules piecing up a good melee squad is not worth it. I believe all we are going to be seeing are a thick line of Terminators Squads trolling around dominating everything.

Now that I am done ranting I am going to start painting Lascannons. Lascannons for everyone. I would take a Psyker if all it could do is turn all my power weapons into Lascannons.

My Valhallan powerblobs were already going to see a few axes; now that they've actually got rules I might as well take em! My Crimson Fists will continue to use power fists, as per their name.

Power Swords, whenever i get around to modeling them.

Use them in challenges and wipe out and Fist/Klaw sergeants.

Well, if you read the Specialist Weapon rule, in order for a model to get +1 for 2 ccw, both weapons need to be the have this rule.

So you can grab a LC and a Chainfist/PF/TH (all the same really except for like 4 situations) and use the LC for MEQ and below and use the PF for anything tougher.

Ensign_Kirk wrote:The real melee now begins at... 48" away.

Fixed it for you. The real answer is "none".

Power axes let someone be picked off by a power sword before they even get a chance to swing. Power fists are better than axes (with the much better S bonus), except that they're still able to be horribly stabbed before they get a swing in. Power lances are rubbish, and power maces aren't real power weapons, being a laughable Ap4.

The sword is still the best, but it got a lot worse - not just because of the Ap loss, but because assault itself got a lot worse. If you've got a fast attacker (at least I4, but really I5 plus), then a power weapon is still worth taking, and if you've got a serious save and 3 wounds or so, then a fist can still be useful. Otherwise, honestly, don't bother anymore.