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Right in the beginning of the rulebook it says you multiply, you apply + or - and then you apply set values.

If so does that mean you can apply Mob Rule after the penalty for losing combat?

I would say no since you are always that leadership while you are at that # of models and then it would be a switcheroo to apply a penalty and real quick go back to where you were. However the rules may state that is the case. I suppose the question would also be is Mob Rule a set value?

Substituting the orks LD for the number of models is not a set value. (As it can vary with the number of orks in the unit)

a set value would be something that says they can always substitute for LD9.

What does setting a value have to do with whether the value is a constant or not?

I really can't follow you DR.

I think what he means is that the leadership of the orks isn't set. For instance having Strength 8 or Toughness 1 or Initiative 1 is a set value. It doesn't change with how many models are in the unit or any other effects.

For example look at the Lash Whip. Those in B2B contact have Initiative 1. Its always initiative 1 and never changes. While I do agree with DeathReaper isn't set as a value, I'm not sure whether the number of Orks really can override negatives to Leadership. It seems kind of ridiculous if it is.

If Terrify removes your Leadership, and you lose combat by 4, you'd have to roll a 6 or under.

Nothing under the Mob Rule! gives you the Stubborn special rule, only the fearless. If it's been stripped, you are LD10.

Jidmah wrote:What does setting a value have to do with whether the value is a constant or not?

I really can't follow you DR.

Setting a value /= a set value.

A Set value would be something like Gabriel Seth's Chainsword that resolves all of his CC attacks at Str 8.

A set value is constant, it does not fluctuate. Seth will always strike at Str 8 because his rules say he strikes at Str 8. Furious Charge will not make him strike at Str 9.

There is no set value for Ork LD, as it can fluctuate from 10 - 1 using Mob rule.

Shinkaze wrote:

Right in the beginning of the rulebook it says you multiply, you apply + or - and then you apply set values.

If so does that mean you can apply Mob Rule after the penalty for losing combat?

I would say no since you are always that leadership while you are at that # of models and then it would be a switcheroo to apply a penalty and real quick go back to where you were. However the rules may state that is the case. I suppose the question would also be is Mob Rule a set value?

The most important thing to remember here is that units do not have a Ld characteristic. When you need a unit's Ld, in order to take a morale check you normally look at the models in the unit to see what Ld value is the highest and then use that as the unit's Ld value.

The mob rule simply allows you to use the number of boyz in the unit as the unit's Ld value.

This is not a case of a rule setting a characteristic value, because Units do not have a profile of characteristics.


So no, you find the unit's Ld value and then you'd apply any and all normal modifiers to the unit's Ld for the test.