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Hi Guys, I'm ready to play my first few games of 6th Edition with GKs and decided to start small points so It's easier to get ahold of the rules and you can also play a lot of quick games against different armies and see what works. I've decided as, I love tanks, I want to keep my Mechanised Feel to my list whilst changing the game slightly to see how Terminators will work in the new rules, How do you guys think the list will fare?

HQ:

Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor 93pts
Inferno Pistol, Thunder Hammer, Power Armour, Hammerhand

Troops:
Strike Squad 176pts
MC Nemesis Daemon Hammer, Psycannon, Razorback, TL Heavy Bolters, Psybolt Ammunition, Searchlight

Strike Squad 176pts
MC Nemesis Daemon Hammer, Psycannon, Razorback, TL Heavy Bolters, Psybolt Ammunition, Searchlight

Elites:

Vindicare Assassin 145pts

Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband 176pts
3x Crusaders, 5x Death Cult Assassins, Chimera, Heavy Flamer, Searchlight

Heavy Support:

Purgatation Squad 231pts
MC Nemesis Daemon Hammer, 4 Psycannons, Rhino, Searchlight

997/1000

At higher points levels, i'd feel included to take Psybolt on my troops as now with Overwatch and the nerf to assaulting out of transports my shooting will be more important than ever, and my GKs will be more involved in the shooting phase.

Thanks

Do you think the stave is still worth it? Bearing in mind it no longer works against perils and now most good combat weapons are only ap3.

Corinthius wrote:Do you think the stave is still worth it? Bearing in mind it no longer works against perils and now most good combat weapons are only ap3.

I guess I agree with you there, that would save up a large number of points but I don't think the force sword is that worth it, +1 to my inv save has never proved its worth to me seeing as i'd normally be taking more than a wound from a power fist, what weapon would you reccommend and maybe with that in line it can lead the way for me to add psybolt to my Strikes.

Hmmm its a tough one with libbys now. The halberds unnecessary, as you can just take quicksilver instead and keep the + to inv for the same points. The hammer puts you at I1 with only a 5++ so I wouldn't use that. Falchions don't seem worth the points. So I guess the choice is sword or stave, the 4++ is ok but not fantastic, but the 2++ is really expensive. Though with the new challenge system you are probably gonna come up against powerfist EQs a lot thinking about it, so maybe the stave is worth taking... I'm just playing devils advocate. I'm still trying to figure out what to give my libby as well.

Corinthius wrote:Hmmm its a tough one with libbys now. The halberds unnecessary, as you can just take quicksilver instead and keep the + to inv for the same points. The hammer puts you at I1 with only a 5++ so I wouldn't use that. Falchions don't seem worth the points. So I guess the choice is sword or stave, the 4++ is ok but not fantastic, but the 2++ is really expensive. Though with the new challenge system you are probably gonna come up against powerfist EQs a lot thinking about it, so maybe the stave is worth taking... I'm just playing devils advocate. I'm still trying to figure out what to give my libby as well.

Yeah true, The new rules have really given me some dilemmas when it comes to picking upgrades for my units, but i want to keep the majority of it the same, that's why I'm keeping my vehicles as well as I like to have them and whether they've been nerfered or not I still think they will have a place in armies as people will take less anti tank hopefully as the meta game is changing, I'm defo keeping the Psyriflemen as they do well against all types of enemy, even 4 TL S8 shots hitting on 6's can do some damage against Fliers and it's probably my best bet short of a Quad Gun/Skyfire as I won't be taking any £45 Flying Bins!

With power weapons AP3, the hammers only being I1 isn't that valid a problem in regards to things and probably makes hammer or falchions the more useful out of any.

I do think though, A Hammer might be out of the question anyway as 2 Hammerhands + MoT can put me in at High Strength against any Targets + Vehicles so i'd be looking at Falchion, Stave or Halberd as I think My Librarian will die to the power fists as in 5E everyone had them and people can still pick him out in CC

Remember, if your libby is in a unit which still has its sarge, he can't be picked out for atleast 2 rounds (your opponent's round and then yours) by a challenge, assuming you let your regular sarge eat a fist first.

Got New List, The Last One Wasn't Too Great When I tried, It, It also allows me to get used to more rules!

List Updated In 1st Post.

Your chimera has 2 heavy flamers? or a multilaser and a heavy flamer?

motyak wrote:Your chimera has 2 heavy flamers? or a multilaser and a heavy flamer?

Multi Laser/Heavy Flamer.

For 80 points you can have an inquisitor in terminator armor with a psycannon. A relentless psycannon. Sounds like a better deal to me.

The force stave is even better now, provided the bearer is closest. Now he can attempt to save all wounds in cc before moving on.

Joe Mama wrote:For 80 points you can have an inquisitor in terminator armor with a psycannon. A relentless psycannon. Sounds like a better deal to me.

True, I might do that and put him at the front getting a 2+ LoS when i fail my saves.

I run the termie psycannon inquisitor, he's very handy for extra firepower. However if you're up nearer the 100pts mark like you are with your ordo heriticus you might want to consider corteaz. He's a level 2 psyker, he's got an ok shooting attack , a master crafted hammer, and his special rules 'spy network' and 'i've been expecting you'. He doesn't have an invulnerable, but that doesn't matter as much in 6th as he still has a 2+ save. Compared to you're heritucus he gets a hell of a lot for just 7 more pts. He'd also make that henchmen unit scoring.

If I Had The points I'd get Coteaz, I converted this Inquisitor (One in the list) up for fun and I love the model, I might use a Psycannon Inquisitor however I only have a Psycannon/Halberd Terminator so might have to use Counts As But I'll give them both a test run.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:For 80 points you can have an inquisitor in terminator armor with a psycannon. A relentless psycannon. Sounds like a better deal to me.

True, I might do that and put him at the front getting a 2+ LoS when i fail my saves.

Look Out, Sir doesn't work that way in a unit with mixed armor saves. In this case you decide whether to use Lo,S before you roll for any saves. If he has to roll for a save, and fails it, he takes a wound.

Joe Mama wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:For 80 points you can have an inquisitor in terminator armor with a psycannon. A relentless psycannon. Sounds like a better deal to me.

True, I might do that and put him at the front getting a 2+ LoS when i fail my saves.

Look Out, Sir doesn't work that way in a unit with mixed armor saves. In this case you decide whether to use Lo,S before you roll for any saves. If he has to roll for a save, and fails it, he takes a wound.

That's still pretty good though as you can take out guys at the back

True, but if he gets hit with 6 AP2 weapons in a round, he's probably going to die (1/6 chance of failing Look Out Sir, 2/3 chance failing invulnerable save)