Power mauls

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**Stonelessword**

I really like the idea of them really. +2str and normal intitiative sounds fun even with ap4

**Kiredor**

remember they are also Concussive, same as a thunderhammer, so are nice against Vehicles

**Stonelessword**

yup forgot that. They are going to be fun against nonmeqs going to have crusaders allied with mauls and axes should be pretty durable.

**helgrenze**

Well since I already have my Army commander, Chaplain, and one Sgt armed (modeled) with them, it's a nice bonus. Plus they get Concussive which drops enemy models (with multiple wounds) to I1.

**Beerfiend**

Kiredor wrote:remember they are also Concussive, same as a thunderhammer, so are nice against Vehicles

As far as I can tell Concussive only causes a drop in Initiative to 1 on models..

How does this affect vehicles at all? It seems like the "auto glance" from thunder hammers has been removed entirely.

Aside from now being AP2 (+1 vehicle dmg chart), thunder hammers have no other added bonuses vs vehicles, much less do power mauls at AP4, no?

**liturgies of blood**

This makes me a lot happier about using lemartes in an army for killling troops

**Kiredor**

Yeah, they changed concussive, my bad

**Stonelessword**

Another question did halberds loose the 2+ int for being axes?

**Kiredor**

Nemesis force weapons are unusual force weapons as per the GK faq

**Stonelessword**

Yeah and that would make them axes with the int drop but they give +2 int so which comes first?

**Kiredor**

All unusual force weapons are AP 3 with their special rules. It is a specific game term located on page 60.

They are not Force Axes, they are Unusual Force Weapons.

**Stonelessword**

ok my bad then must have miss read the unsual force weapon entry