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I've been starting considering running a scythe list for NOVA. The basics of the list looks like this:

The Core

8x Warriors - 104
Night Scythe - 100
8x Warriors - 104
Night Scythe - 100
8x Warriors - 104
Night Scythe - 100

Doom Scythe - 175
Doom Scythe - 175
Doom Scythe - 175

Total - 1137

Now this is the basis of the list. What would you suggest adding on top of this?

I don't like Warriors in Scythes do be honest. Ghost Ark is a much better transport for them since it's easier for them to park on objectives and still do things.

If you wanna spam nightscythes use Immortals. Pretty nasty once unloaded.

Bump it up to 9 or 10 man units with a lord (mss, orb, weave)

Gonna try out new deathmarks tomorrow... hoping theyre as good as they seem now.

Immortals make the list pretty expensive is the thing though. Right now the list sits at $279 from NIB ebay prices. With squads of 10 immortals, that becomes 397. Ouch. Granted, it does bring it up to around 1300 points, but still...that's pricey. I suppose I could convert I guess.

DarkCorsair wrote:Immortals make the list pretty expensive is the thing though. Right now the list sits at $279 from NIB ebay prices. With squads of 10 immortals, that becomes 397. Ouch. Granted, it does bring it up to around 1300 points, but still...that's pricey. I suppose I could convert I guess.

Okay, but what's the point of the list? 6 Flyers? Scary, sure. But you will hold no objectives ever with this list, because you're dropping off weak-assed units to hold them. At AV 11, even with snap shots the 2-3 planes you have out on any given turn are going to take heavy damage, snap shots or not.

I cant get on board with what these guys in front of me are saying.......it sounds like none of these guys have played a game of 6th yet.....flyers are really hard to deal with especial the necron ones and this list has 6 of them...this list is more then competitive.........I would drop 2 squads down to 5 and go with 1 squad of 10 Immortals...I would then take some stormteks to go with the warriors they will make a great tank busting unit. What point lvl is this torny?

Upgrading Warriors to Immortals isn't a bad idea. I don't think you necessarily have to upgrade everybody though. Warriors can be a perfectly competent unit if you avoid putting them in situations beyond their depth.

What your list will really benefit from is some Night Fight. Your flyers are eventually going to get hit, and at that point you'll want the best cover save you can get. So, I'd say either double CCB Overlords/Pulseteks or Imotekh and a Chronotek would be a good compliment to the list. The CCB Overlords will be pricier, but with your flyers whizzing around out of control, I think you could use something a bit more "local" to hold ground. OTOH, Imotekh lets you Seize on a 4+ (pretty useful for a flyer list) and has those nifty lightning strikes to boot. Both seem like good options to me. In either case, I'd spend whatever points you've got left beefing up your troops. Again, I think holding ground will be your biggest challenge. Not that flyerspam looks like it should have too many challenges at this point...!

if your opponents whole army can table what you have not in reserve on turn 1 you lose as per game rules so id be careful putting so many points into the flyers

I don't have my codex on hand so points may be off a little, but here goes:

Overlord w/ Warscythe, Res Orb, MSS - 145
Overlord w/ Warscythe, Res Orb, MSS - 145

Lord w/ Warscythe, Res Orb, MSS - 90
Solar Pulse Cryptek - 55
Solar Pulse Cryptek - 55

10x Immortals - 170
Night Scythe - 100

10x Immortals - 170
Night Scythe - 100

10x Immortals - 170
Night Scythe - 100

Doom Scythe - 175
Doom Scythe - 175
Doom Scythe - 175

Total - 1825

Still 175 points left. Thoughts? I've got 3 very durable blocks of immortals, 2 turns of nightfight, very good chances in challenges from MSS/Warscythe....


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tristan.t.w.good@gmail.com wrote:if your opponents whole army can table what you have not in reserve on turn 1 you lose as per game rules so id be careful putting so many points into the flyers

Er, I do? Where does it say that? Also as it stands my whole army HAS to start in reserves...

Ugh whole army reserved then you lose every game on turn 1 sorry about your list sir

6th edition rulebook pg. 122 Under victory conditions just above Objectives heading

"Likewise if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

So game starts you total reserves he goes, you go, he wins

Bringing Zahndrekh might be a good idea, since the Night Scythes can Deep Strike, you could have them all show up anytime one of the enemy units arrives from reserves.

Yeah, but he would be the only thing on table and if he dies game over, and no reserves til turn 2 so your still boned

Then you attach Zandrekh to a unit. Not an easy target to wipe out turn 1 if you take care to hide them (either in cover, with Night Fight, or both). Next turn, Flyers come on, no probalo.

Easy fix. Have all the squads on board turn one, if I can't get out of LOS pop a solar pulse. Begin advancing once flyers start coming in.

Ha! That's pretty funny! I'm going to Nova and have worked up a more modest four scythe spam list. I played two scythes last night and wrecked my opponent including taking out his stormtalon (I still lost but I'm pretty new to 40k and this guy regularly wins tournaments). One was a doom scythe and just ran his magical line right down the center of his line of armor. Very messy - he was cursing by the end of that. The other was a Night scythe carrying a 5-man warrior squad and two stormteks. They hopped out and vaporized a dread - several time over in terms of hull points. More cursing. He also spent a turn or two snap shooting at the scythes removing a grand total of 1 hull point. Even more cursing. Later on I shot down his stormtalon with one shot from my scythe - stormtalons only have two hull points - lots more cursing.

Not to hijack your thread or anything but here's what I'm working on for Nova. Heavy on scythes but not to the exclusion of anything else that the necrons now offer. I really think 6e will prove to be our rule book. We get so many goodies now it just makes me shake...anyway in my list I have two warrior blobs plus an over lord and to destructeks to run with them bulking them up to an 11 man unit. There's one smaller unit that gets a lord that's decked out much like the overlords. These three go and hold objectives.

Then there's a five man squad with two stormteks who ride in the scythe. There mission is to take out some armor and then probably die depending on what and where the wraiths are. Speaking of wraiths I'm taking advantage of the third HQ choice for larger games and took the destroyer lord with the weave. He runs with the wraiths providing the entire unit with preferred enemy (re-rolling on 1's) and three ap1 warscythe swings. Lots of fun.

On top of that my opponent has to deal with THREE doom scythes zooming around. Pretty much guaranteed a turn or two of mayhem.

Also, make sure to take the two solar pulses. While night fighting has been nerfed pretty much (lost 10 scarabs to thunder fire cannons) you can pretty much bank on natural night fighting to occur at some point during the game. I used one pulse to start night fighting on turn one in my first game and saved the second pulse for the end of the game to dispel night fighting for me.

Total Roster Cost: 1999

HQ: Overlord (1#, 160 pts)
1 Overlord, 160 pts Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Resurrection Orb

HQ: Overlord (1#, 160 pts)
1 Overlord, 160 pts Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Resurrection Orb

HQ: Destroyer Lord (1#, 140 pts)
1 Destroyer Lord, 140 pts, Sempiternal Weave

: Royal Court (5#, 150 pts)
1 Royal Court, 0 pts
1 Harbinger of the Storm
1 Harbinger of Destruction, 55 pts, Harbinger of Destruction, Solar Pulse
1 Harbinger of Destruction, 35 pts Harbinger of Destruction
1 Harbinger of Destruction, 35 pts Harbinger of Destruction

: Royal Court (5#, 205 pts)
1 Royal Court, 0 pts
1 Harbinger of the Storm
1 Harbinger of Destruction, 55 pts, Harbinger of Destruction, Solar Pulse
1 Harbinger of Destruction, 35 pts Harbinger of Destruction
1 Lord, 90 pts Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Resurrection Orb

Troops: Warriors (6#, 165 pts)
5 Warriors, 65 pts
1 Night Scythe, 100 pts

Troops: Warriors (8#, 104 pts)
8 Warriors, 104 pts

Troops: Warriors (8#, 104 pts)
8 Warriors, 104 pts

Troops: Warriors (7#, 91 pts)
7 Warriors, 91 pts

Fast Attack: Canoptek Wraiths (5#, 195 pts)
5 Canoptek Wraiths, 195 pts, Whip Coil x2

Heavy Support: Doom Scythe (1#, 175 pts)
1 Doom Scythe, 175 pts

Heavy Support: Doom Scythe (1#, 175 pts)
1 Doom Scythe, 175 pts

Heavy Support: Doom Scythe (1#, 175 pts)
1 Doom Scythe, 175 pts

Just to clarify -- despite how its worded on page 122, you do NOT lose if you have no units on the board, but do have units in reserve. I called GW and received confirmation. They stated that the term battlefield included reserves.

Hard to believe you actually lost with this list!

TheJadeTiger wrote:Just to clarify -- despite how its worded on page 122, you do NOT lose if you have no units on the board, but do have units in reserve. I called GW and received confirmation. They stated that the term battlefield included reserves.

Yes you may have called and got that confirmation, however i have yet to see it in writing on a FAQ or in the rulebook, even furthering my point if you look at page # 124, it says
"each model's move is measured from the edge of the battlefield as if they were positioned just off the board in the previous turn.

When I asked them if it would be clarified in a faq, the individual stated that there would likely be no FAQ on the issue, as it their assessment that it is clear that you dont lose as long as you have models that can still be placed. They further stated that this had been the case for the majority of their editions.

He then made some further disparaging words about opponents that would interpret the rule that way -- though I feel that its a legitimate question.

Your anecdote regarding calling someone who told you the rule in the book doesn't mean what it says is irrelevant. Until its FAQ'd, you autolose if you have no models on the field, period.

I called GW and they told me that they really meant for any necron list including a monolith to auto-win on turn 1, well, since it's a freakin' monolith and they thought people would just figure it out.

Anecdote or not, you'll play it how you'll play it and we'll play it how we'll play it. No one at our LGS is Interpreting the rule to mean that you can auto lose by having an all reserve army. So until its FAQ'd, I won't care either way.

I did call again however this evening and spoke to a different person who said they would forward it up the line, so hopefully we WILL see it in a FAQ. Till then, play it however your LGS interprets it.

Thank you for having them forward up. We need all the clarification we can get from our FAQs so we don't have to face ambiguity and fill up YMDC.

if you look at page # 124, it says
"each model's move is measured from the edge of the battlefield as if they were positioned just off the board in the previous turn."

So clearly within the rules it states that those in reserve are placed just off the battlefield when combined with the other rule about no units on the battlefield, like i said im sure they meant to take all reserve armies away with the half the army cannot reserve