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A funny thing happened in my game last night, as my regimental unit received a charge, and my detachment managed to flub it's roll to counter charge. The combat occurred, with my Warrior Priest passing on Hatred to his unit.

Next turn my detachment made another effort at the charge, and this time made it into the flank of the enemy. But this raised the question of whether the Regimental unit's ability to pass on Hatred could still work, because the Regiment had already fought a round of combat.

After a quick read through the rules we felt that Hatred was a rule a unit always had, but that it only gave benefit for the first round of combat, as such the detachment could benefit from Hatred, and since it was the detachment's first round of combat it could reroll to miss, even though the regimental unit couldn't anymore.

We were fairly confident we got this right, but I'm entirely willing to believe we missed something that you guys might pick up on, so I thought I'd clarify it here.

Seems right to me.

sebster wrote:
After a quick read through the rules we felt that Hatred was a rule a unit always had, but that it only gave benefit for the first round of combat, as such the detachment could benefit from Hatred, and since it was the detachment's first round of combat it could reroll to miss, even though the regimental unit couldn't anymore.

Pretty much that.

Agreed with your assessment.

as far as i know charging into an ongoing combat still counts as an on going combat so NO to first round hatred. unless the unit has a special rule allowing hatred every turn

khsofsos wrote:as far as i know charging into an ongoing combat still counts as an on going combat so NO to first round hatred. unless the unit has a special rule allowing hatred every turn

What !!!!!

Except that its the detachments first round of combat therefore its allowed to re-roll misses if that is what the detachment rules allow.
Surely the question is whether this is allowed, i.e. charging in subsequent rounds of combat rather than the first unit for the parent unit - hopefully the FAQ will clear this up

The parent unit passes Hatred along, not THEIR Hatred. A detachment charging in on subsequent round of combat gains the Hatred rule, and because it is the first round of combat for them, they get re-rolls.

Cheers fellas. I thought so, but just wanted to make sure.


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FordPrefect wrote:Surely the question is whether this is allowed, i.e. charging in subsequent rounds of combat rather than the first unit for the parent unit - hopefully the FAQ will clear this up

At that point the unit was just acting independantly, and charged like any normal unit would charge. This had the effect of putting them back inside the 3" range of the parent unit, and therefore gave them Hatred.

Once a detachment is over 3" away from a unit it becomes a normal unit. I do not believe going back into the 3" bubble allows it to become a detachment again. It lost all benefits once it moved 3" away from the parent unit. (unless they changed this in the new edition)

However it sounds like the parent unit recieved a charge so it was never over 3" away. It still has hatred. Because its the first round of combat with the unit, the detachment itself has hatred. However if the detachment was further than 3" away before combat, and then charged in and was within 3" it would not have hatred as it no longer counts as a detachment.

There is nothing in the new rules for Empire Detachments that state they lose this designation if they move more than 3" away from the parent unit. It only states one model of the detachment must must be within 3" of the parent unit to gain those benefits.

Stoupe wrote:Once a detachment is over 3" away from a unit it becomes a normal unit. I do not believe going back into the 3" bubble allows it to become a detachment again. It lost all benefits once it moved 3" away from the parent unit. (unless they changed this in the new edition)

Like Davall said, the special rules for detachments don't rely on having always been within 3" of the regimental unit. Basically some conditions come up, and if at those times the parent unit is within 3" then the detachment gets certain benefits.

Sorry I was wrong. Reread it last night. Shocked thy removed it but so pleased they did