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sudojoe wrote:actually with the DCA's being able to wield 2 power weapons, you get around the whole power weapon restrictions and can still get AP1 or AP3 and in general, still slaughter just about eveything they touch. Just put an axe + sword on the model and you get to strike with whatever weapon you want.

Given that the Death Cult Assassin models all have swords, running them with axes would constitute Modelling for Advantage, wouldn't it?

It's one thing if they sell different models with different weapons, go ahead, pick the one you like. But when the models all come with swords, you're pretty much locked in to swords.

Blood and Slaughter wrote:...it's pretty damn clear in the rules that you just look at the model to tell. Nothing says you cannot choose they type.

Nothing says you can choose the type either. The rules are permissive, not restrictive, they tell you what you can do, not what you cannot. They don't say, "you can cut the weapons off models and glue other ones on to get a different weapon profile." Conversions are permitted for aesthetic reasons only, not to impact game play.

DCA models come with swords.

But I see no reason why any model from any codex that has 'power weapon' as an option should not have player choice as to which of sword, axe or maul so long as they model that properly.

Because that's not how they come. It's the same reason you can't put grots on 60mm bases and crowd the table, or have lying down monstrous creatures to get cover.

Blood and Slaughter wrote:

Because that's not how they come

Oh come off it. You're seriously saying that unless a model comes with all the wargear options in the codex available to it eithe ron the sculpt or in the box, then to model those options is illegal?

No, there are plenty of situations where a stock model doesn't have an option that you're legally allowed to use - that the codex explicitly allows you. Modifying a model to be WYSIWYG with its rules is not only acceptable, it's required in the rules.

DCA are not in that situation.

DCA have an official model. They have no 'option' in the codex to pick a type of power weapon. And they are modeled with swords. Every DCA model ever made has had swords. The Inquisitor DCA models have swords. Where DCA have appeared in fluff, in the Black Library books, they've had swords. They've had swords in every concept image of them. Clipping off those swords and attaching axes is clearly, blatantly, modelling for an in-game advantage - that of having the potential for AP2 when you need it. You wouldn't have done it before the 6th ed rulebook came out. No one ever posted anything about changing the weapons on their DCA until doing so got them an advantage.

Just because you think that the designers intent is to allow you to do whatever you want, you have no evidence to support that position. I 'think' that the Fighta Ace upgrade on a Dakka Jet is intended to give them a +1BS against other flyers, but that's not what it says in their rules or in the FAQ. As a sportsman, I'm not going to claim that +1BS when I play against someone, even though it should probably be there. Likewise, I'm not going to model for advantage, even if that might have been intended. I see no evidence to support that claim though. To me, the rules for varying types of power weapons are there to support the model ranges that have different types of power weapons. Chaos Terminators, Sisters of Battle, Space Marine characters - these actually have different models with different types of weapons. DCA do not. They have swords.

kenshin620 wrote:So that logic almost no one should be able to use power lances? I do not know of any model that comes with a power lance

Yet.

I don't know of any model that has Flakk missiles yet either. Clearly they have written rules for things that are yet to be released.

Besides, Rough Rider and Shining Spear models have power lances.