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Viable or not? I'm planning on going for krakstorm missiles and a heavy bolter.
For 260p it's quite tough and packs more firepower than a Land raider. Admittedly it doesn't move, anyway the shenagins that can be done like castling up in a corner and blocking LOS from your units and so on.

Anyway do you think it's worth it?

I've read and re-read the fortifications section multiple times, but I can't seem to find a place where it says you can embark a squad inside the fortifications.

Do you just take them and then pretend your army is actually using it?

Read the fact it has access points and models are displayed in the building...

Well, its too pricey game-wise. However, I'd consider a Bastion with anti-air defense or an Aegis Defense Line depending on your army.

Can you explain why it's to pricey? Embelish.

Griever wrote:I've read and re-read the fortifications section multiple times, but I can't seem to find a place where it says you can embark a squad inside the fortifications.

Do you just take them and then pretend your army is actually using it?

The part where it says the fortification is a building.

A Bastion is a Medium Building with AV14(with 2 levels and battlements)

The Fortress of Redemption is 4 buildings.

Its 10 points per heavy bolter by the way.

I'd use it, seems like a great tool for Guard. I'd want to remodel into a better looking bunker complex, but yea.

Yeah, fortunately you do seem free to model the Bastion and FOR as you want. You don't have to use their models.

Looking for effective tactics to get that thing down...those rockets hit really hard.

Thought about using Scarabs as they either destroy the building (even 3 bases have a good chance of destroying it outright) or draw fire away from my regular units.

Warscythes might also work...but I don't really want to field LG.

Man, that thing is expensive but really strong.

...and what bothers me more: as a Necron player, I got no uses for buildings at all :(

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, fortunately you do seem free to model the Bastion and FOR as you want. You don't have to use their models.

Would anyone know the footprint on those models? Do want to use forts now and then, but don't really like the official models or the prices. With the defense line, I've enough resin sandbags and earthworks, but I'd have to scratch-build a Bastion and/or FOR.

It just says "the bunkers are both small buildings(AV14), the main tower is a Medium Building(AV14), and the walkway connecting them is a small building(AV14)"

The building section contains reccomended sizes, and transport capacity, for buildings of those classifications.

Well all 4 buildings have to be destroyed separately, but only 1 has the krakstorm launcher. Looks solid for an army with fragile heavy weapon units like ig hws.

The problem I see is terrain. Either it's fixed by a to, or you and your opponent takes turn placing terrain. Since forts go down 1st it's easy for an opponent to ruin the deployment of a fort by dropping a giant los blocking piece of terrain in front of the fort.

On a side note if a squad of sisters takes control of hb and spends a faith point...

Grey Templar wrote:It just says "the bunkers are both small buildings(AV14), the main tower is a Medium Building(AV14), and the walkway connecting them is a small building(AV14)"

The building section contains reccomended sizes, and transport capacity, for buildings of those classifications.

Thank you. Don't actually own a copy of the rulebook: we've been sharing a single copy among us at the store. But now that I know the info is in the appropriate section I can take notes.

Its especially useful for IG I believe, also considering the fact that it is one of the few things that comes with skyfire. In addition a model in the fortress has to man the weapons using their ballistic skill. Cheap Ratling snipers manning twinlinked las cannons, heavy bolters, and krakstorm missiles anyone?

Is it just me or is the causeway the only 1 of the 4 buildings with a fire point? It looks like 3 out of the 4 buildings have no fire points for squads inside to shoot out of, and squads can only fire from the ramparts.

For armies that are kinda squishy, like IG or Orks, loading up the sections that are not the walkway with Heavy Weapons or, for me, Lootas is a fun option. The thing is pretty huge, taking up at least two feet of space wide, and about a foot long. There's a guy in my store that has one, so I'll double check the size with him. As for the price, well. . .again, I play Orks, so my army is pretty cheap on the whole, making it a more viable option for me. :V As for MEQ armies, maybe not so much. I'd never take one with my budding Space Woofs army.

Regardless, if it IS taken, you determine the deployment type and table edges before you place Forts and terrain, so if you're worried about the opponent blocking line of site, the...I don't know. At my store, we usually take turns placing terrain as usual, but the opponent also rolls a scatter die and at least 1D6 to see where it's placed. That way you don't have an IG gun line literally just placing all the ruins and difficult terrain in a ring around their gunline. :I Seems to make things a little more fair.

BrotherDoggie wrote:For armies that are kinda squishy, like IG or Orks, loading up the sections that are not the walkway with Heavy Weapons or, for me, Lootas is a fun option. The thing is pretty huge, taking up at least two feet of space wide, and about a foot long. There's a guy in my store that has one, so I'll double check the size with him. As for the price, well. . .again, I play Orks, so my army is pretty cheap on the whole, making it a more viable option for me. :V As for MEQ armies, maybe not so much. I'd never take one with my budding Space Woofs army.

Regardless, if it IS taken, you determine the deployment type and table edges before you place Forts and terrain, so if you're worried about the opponent blocking line of site, the...I don't know. At my store, we usually take turns placing terrain as usual, but the opponent also rolls a scatter die and at least 1D6 to see where it's placed. That way you don't have an IG gun line literally just placing all the ruins and difficult terrain in a ring around their gunline. :I Seems to make things a little more fair.

I guess lootas inside the building can exit and go on top of the ramparts to snap fire, but any unit in the 3 buildings with no fire points can't shoot out.

Well they can't block it directly considering they can't deploy terrain on your table half. They can hide behind some on their own though.

I can't seem to find the rules for automated shooting, Do I have to have my orks firing the stuff or not.

The main reason bought an Ironclad Drednaught. Please bring more fortifications, I'll enjoy blowing them to bits.

I didn't realize that the Fortress was actually multiple buildings.

I might use it in more competitive games, to wall off a corner of the board, and place some Basilisk, or other heavy artillery behind it. Even if the fortress is wrecked, it'll still block any access to my artillery.

If I took one, I'd take a sniper Scout Squad with Tellion and park them on the Icarus Lascannon. That's a BS 6 Lascannon with Skyfire...

beigeknight wrote:If I took one, I'd take a sniper Scout Squad with Tellion and park them on the Icarus Lascannon. That's a BS 6 Lascannon with Skyfire...

It's TL. There is significant diminishing returns on accuracy as BS goes up.

Accuracy at BS3=75%
Accuracy at BS4=89%
Accuracy at BS5=97%
Accuracy at BS6=99%


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Thatguyoverthere wrote:I didn't realize that the Fortress was actually multiple buildings.

I might use it in more competitive games, to wall off a corner of the board, and place some Basilisk, or other heavy artillery behind it. Even if the fortress is wrecked, it'll still block any access to my artillery.

I guess that also means it counts as 4 pieces against terrain density, so it would be impossible to have terrain in front of it unless it's at the edge of a 2"2 section.

I guess a player could place it on the border of a pair of 2 by 2 sections in the back of their deployment zone and turn 2/3 of their deployment zone into a barren killing field if that matches their play style.

I don't think that it counts vs. terrain density - iirc, it's d3 per 2'x2' and it's huge thus you'd never be able to fit it in :/

Sigvatr wrote:Looking for effective tactics to get that thing down...those rockets hit really hard.

Thought about using Scarabs as they either destroy the building (even 3 bases have a good chance of destroying it outright) or draw fire away from my regular units.

Warscythes might also work...but I don't really want to field LG.

Man, that thing is expensive but really strong.

...and what bothers me more: as a Necron player, I got no uses for buildings at all :(

the only building i would consider woudl be the Bastion....and for necron bastions....Monoliths.

They are more or less the same foot print, each have 4 guns sticking out the side, and each have a "thing" on top that coudl be an AA gune/comms relay etc.

Since they got nerfed i dont use my 'liths anyway.

Sigvatr wrote:I don't think that it counts vs. terrain density - iirc, it's d3 per 2'x2' and it's huge thus you'd never be able to fit it in :/

It does count, but remember that fortifications are placed before you roll for terrain density and start placing terrain.

elrabin wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:I don't think that it counts vs. terrain density - iirc, it's d3 per 2'x2' and it's huge thus you'd never be able to fit it in :/

It does count, but remember that fortifications are placed before you roll for terrain density and start placing terrain.

Forgot about that, thanks!

schadenfreude wrote:

beigeknight wrote:If I took one, I'd take a sniper Scout Squad with Tellion and park them on the Icarus Lascannon. That's a BS 6 Lascannon with Skyfire...

It's TL. There is significant diminishing returns on accuracy as BS goes up.

Accuracy at BS3=75%
Accuracy at BS4=89%
Accuracy at BS5=97%
Accuracy at BS6=99%

Icarus Lascannon is not twin linked. It's Heavy 1, Interceptor, Skyfire.

beigeknight wrote:

Icarus Lascannon is not twin linked. It's Heavy 1, Interceptor, Skyfire.

But it is twin linked on the fortress' Weapons tab

The positive thing about the Fortress is (of course) the tasty weapons it has. I like the Icarus Lascannon (interceptor owns), but OMFG the Krakstorm Missiles are just sick. Also nice is the LOS blocking aspect.

But there are signifigant drawbacks too. Buildings are not as tough as AV14 vehicles. For one thing, you have to have a unit inside the building to shoot the weapons. That means that they aren't contesting objectives AND when you glance the building, the units inside take a hit (S6 I think) with no cover save. Penetrating hits do more. Note how devastating some of the entries on the Building Damage Chart can be.

So I'm still on the fence. Before I go drop $100 on the fortress of redemption, I'm going to see how other's do with it.

A glancing hit on a building causes a wound with no cover saves allowed to a unit inside.

Some Penetration rolls cause Str6 hits(Str3 for Battlements)